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OSMCha is not loading the latest changesets from filmsgr, which that I am monitoring (despite worsening health) due to a history of making fictional edits, or edits that go against community consensus. I need help to get OSMCha updating realtime or near-realtime again.

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Not sure what the provincial road numbers really are but I don’t know if they use suffixes here: OSMCha

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I don’t have the provincial road numbers in front of me, but with a quick search I don’t find ΕΠ44γ for Ioannina Prefecture. Only ΕΠ44 which is Metsovo-Anilio.
Considering though how that user already had blocks and edits which were without consultation from the Greek community, I will assume this edit, along with the others he did these days, are incorrect/contain fake info that should be removed.

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This road is not even part of the provincial road network so it cant have a ref tag at all.

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The DWG has advised me to step down from the Delta Evas ALL monitoring role because of my health. I have nominated a consortium of @jimkats, @nikospag and @PeachyOne as my successor.

Although OpenStreetMap is not the cause of my ongoing health issues, I nevertheless accept that there is a need for me to focus on less intense projects, such as landuse and unmapped rural roads.

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Having changed their name to roblox_gmx, they seem to continue to make questionable edits. Here, here, here, here, here and here they delete perfectly good (perhaps simply misaligned?) ways, only to replace them with their own with fewer points, instead of retagging them as needed, and also added refs that I am not sure are valid.
Here they have changed the classification of ways from motorway link to motorway, seemingly with no purpose.
Here a more detailed way has been deleted, and its tagging changed erroneously, although for full disclosure, it is my own way.
Here the road doesn’t seem to be finished and fully extant in the imagery that is cited as the only source.
Here a perfectly good portion of way has been spliced away, and replaced with a poorly tagged one with bad spelling. Its unclear whether the ref should be swapped between the two ways, as this user has done.

This is just from the last four days.

EDIT: I have contacted the DWG by email and the issue has been assigned Ticket#2024120210000535.

More examples of destructive editing:
Here once again razed the previous ways, but only readded them with a later changeset, that we already discussed here within the context of its curious ref number. The destroyed history subsequently impeded our ability to detect the vandalism.

Here while they made good improvements to the junction geometry, they again did so by deleting all previous ways, and they simply removed all landuse ways.

Here and here they again deleted existing ways, destroying history, replacing it with a less detailed one, and adding a questionable ref.

Here about the same sort as above, but also omitting many detailed tags from the previous way.

Here a new name is added, while a signposted name is removed entirely, along with deleting the way with 23 previous versions of history, to make it impossible to track this change.

Here a way with 26 versions is deleted for seemingly no reason, as the tags are exactly the same. All that needed to be done was some slight realigning.

Here the way is once again deleted and replaced, and tellingly is one of the user’s first edits, deleting a way that was restored from a previous attempt to delete from their suspected original account, Delta Evas ALL/Hamilton 44, which is now blocked.

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I am now reverting all of roblox_gmx’s (ex filmsgr) edits (where objects had not been touched by others in the mean time), and have blocked their account until further notice on roblox_gmx blocked by woodpeck | OpenStreetMap. Please let the DWG know if further new accounts pop up that show the same pattern. We’re tracking all “Delta Evas ALL” related business under Ticket#2024040910000271.

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We seem to have a new chapter in this debacle, under a new account known as user_greece782.

Their entire history so far shows similar patterns of behaviour, but once again the telltale sign is insistence on edits that were reverted previously. As far as I can tell these particular changes are good, which would make their insistence all the more sensible.

However, other changes fall into more familiar patterns of deleting existing ways and stripping tags away, or changing road classification with little rhyme or reason.
Here half the changeset is good, adding a new roundabout, and the rest inexplicably deletes the other roundabout to be redrawn from scratch. Again full disclosure, I had personally pointed out to another mapper to map this roundabout themselves as it recently replaced a rather complexly routed intersection, and this is what user_greece782 deleted.

EDIT: I have sent an email to the DWG about the issue, referring to the general ticket number (#2024040910000271). Now we simply wait.

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I received a (quite swift) reply from @/woodpeck regarding the issue and he has reverted the changesets and blocked the user in question.

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Problematic edits by user sheldonelectric (former beatnickgr).
He deleted the name:el tag from various features, which is a vital info for many apps, with the comment “removing languages other than name and int_name”.
And he insists that what he is doing is right.

Examples:

and many more others.

EDIT: In fact deleted all languages tags of name:xx

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Replying about your concerns

Changeset: 162448350 | OpenStreetMap this is a survey, you might have noticed I also edited nearby shops. There was 3 POIs for the same ΚΕΠ, which I merged. The name:en=Citizen Service Center of Municipality Filothei-Psichiko was added 10 years ago by a user:Ovidee (184 edits, inactive since 2018). When I went I saw no sign, therefore it was deleted.

Node: ‪Τερκενλής;Γρηγόρης‬ (‪4704640569‬) | OpenStreetMap this is a survey while driving in front. The shop has both signs Τερκενλής and Γρηγόρης, therefore the name:xx were wrong when I deleted.

Your concerns about all other changes are replied here since 2018.

Feel free to post further concerns, I can reply all of them.

I have done these changeset long time ago, but you only report them now, right after I point out you have added map erroneous data, for the consumer. It looks to me like an retaliation post. But there is not a single typo in my edits. Can you say the same about yours?

Node: ‪Νικολη‬ (‪1333864473‬) | OpenStreetMap Accent missing (and name:la has no source)
Node: ‪Φρουτα‬ (‪1460969648‬) | OpenStreetMap Accent missing (and name:de has no source)
Node: ‪Taverna Agira‬ (‪1478212573‬) | OpenStreetMap Visible typo with 4 consecutive consonents (and name:en has no source)
Node: ‪Pharmacy Kalamaria Thessaloniki‬ (‪1759687045‬) | OpenStreetMap ALL CAPS (and “pharmacy” shouldn’t be in the name)
Node: ‪Linoperamata Interchange (Future I/C)‬ (‪366084582‬) | OpenStreetMap future intersections are not named as “future” but should be in appropriate tags.
Node: ‪Κυκλωπας‬ (‪281612602‬) | OpenStreetMap Accent missing (and name:ro shouldn’t exist)
Way: ‪Karvelas‬ (‪91312769‬) | OpenStreetMap has typos, the correct name is in the operator (and name:en, if correct, should be int_name)
Way: ‪Aposelmis River‬ (‪100647351‬) | OpenStreetMap ποταμός/river is not a name but a waterway (and name:en has no source)
Way: ‪Platy Beach‬ (‪102145205‬) | OpenStreetMap παραλία/beach is not a name but a natural (and name:de has no source)
Way: ‪παραλία Στίβι ή Πλαγίσος Μώλος‬ (‪102143832‬) | OpenStreetMap Πλαγίσσος Μώλος should be an alt name (and name:de has no source)

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Just because it does not appear on the sign does not mean we cannot use foreign names if it is well documented in common knowledge, such as Node: ‪Athens‬ (‪441183‬) | OpenStreetMap of all nodes. My position is that the foreign names should not be removed just because it is not on the sign. I am also concerned that the removal of foreign names for that reason may go against OpenStreetMap’s purpose of being an international project.

If you have concerns about the quality of translated names you should probably discuss the issue with a community who speaks that language (e.g. France for French) and they may be able to help you.

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Source: Changeset: 65917191 | OpenStreetMap

I am concerned that @sheldonelectric is taking issue with even good faith transcriptions just because they are not on signage. I try to resolve any issues that users may have, but in this case I don’t think there is anything I can do without deleting what may be valid data.

In any case, we may need a translation working group to improve the quality of foreign names in Greece, but I may not be able to play a significant part due to my poor health.

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I am starting to believe that @sheldonelectric is becoming disruptive because I don’t think we have motorway junctions entirely in uppercase, e.g. Node History: ‪Α.Κ. ΛΕΟΝΤΑΡΙΟΥ‬ (‪272563377‬) | OpenStreetMap version 16 (comment left: Changeset: 132811744 | OpenStreetMap).

I now have reason to believe that the editor is causing rife in our community by going against consensus (particularly the ability to use ISO 843 for transcription, such as Node History: ‪ΗΒΗ‬ (‪2786684224‬) | OpenStreetMap version 9).

I am asking osmf-data-wg (EDIT: wrong way to alert the DWG) to keep an eye on the matter in case this gets worse.

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We have one open ticket on this issue dating from February. If you have any updates please email data@openstreetmap.org with a subject line of “[Ticket#2025022710000354] Further updates”, and it will reach the person who is dealing with that ticket.

Edit: Emboldened some text to make it more obvious that in order to update a previous ticket you need to have the relevant text in the subject line.

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Ειλικρινά, βαρέθηκα το θέμα με τα γλωσσικά (μεταγραφή/μετάφραση/κεφαλαία/πεζά). Κάθε τόσο λύνεται και δημιουργείται πρόβλημα. Δεν παύει ποτέ…

As it was written before, you can’t just ask the DWG to add in the attention-list a user to look out, as there are constantly numerous problematic users all over the globe and DWG can’t put attention on their own. Other mappers need to report the potential problematic users with specific info in order for actions to be done.

@sheldonelectric Υπάρχει και το official_name

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Hello, I keep a history of emails and I wish to clarify that Ticket#2025022710000354 may be from someone else in the community.

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Although in general I agree that sheldonelectric does take a rather gung ho approach towards foreign names, in this case he clearly cites a source for his change. There can still be disagreement about whether this belongs in int_name or official_name:en as jimkats points out, but still. Just my two cents.

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For the record, I think sheldonelectric was a bit too tough on names that were widely translated in common knowledge, such as Athens (Athènes in French), Corinth (Corinthe), Piraeus (Le Pirée) and Thessaloniki (Thessalonique) stations. There is a difference between correcting bad or overly literal translations, and widely translated names like the examples shown. I might consider a new thread to coordinate the translating of the map in Greece, in hopes of reducing risk of confusion, errors and tension. What do you think?

Side note: Abbreviations - OpenStreetMap Wiki also tells us to keep abbreviations and names separate, such as the case of SKA.

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I agree that he errs more on the side of deleting than he perhaps should. Other examples of rash edits include this changeset where the name of a stop is changed to reflect the online name while deleting the on the ground name (instead of adding one to alt_name). In the process, another stop is inexplicably also named and made the start point of 608, I assume by mistake.

This changeset also shows both sorts of edits:
On one hand foreign name deletion, by deleting the German and English names of the yet to be finished line, even though it is definitely referred to as Line 4 in English language media in papers of record.

On the other, hasty editing that results in errors and less clear data, such as moving the Panepistimioupoli station to an unrelated construction site within the campus.

The way representing line 4 seems to have suffered at his hands in particular over the course of quite some time, as one can see here. I don’t mean to make this some sort of personal attack, but most of the edits made by sheldonelectric to this way have been to reduce detail without much justification, and in particular the latest has reduced the detail of it quite a lot without much justification.