Wiki edit Footway vs path

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@Langlaeufer

What I don’t think is a good idea is to interpret things into tags that aren’t documented and then later gradually change the definition of the tag because its use no longer fits the original (accepted) definition.
Such re-definitions are certainly sometimes necessary, but then please do so via a new proposal. If there is agreement on this, the proposal should go through quickly.

The wiki is descriptive, not prescriptive. It should document actual usage which often differs from proposals, especially very old ones.

@julcnx

I still believe the key difference between footway and path is about the main (legal) usage, not whether it’s paved or unpaved. So I don’t see any reason why a hiking trail that’s signposted for pedestrians only couldn’t be tagged as highway=footway.

I think what most people want at the end is to see paved/unpaved pathways rendered differently, which is completely fine, but that’s what other tags like surface and smoothness are meant for.

I’m not sure if you are aware of the recent very extensive discussions about highway=path here on the forum, but these points have come up and have been answered multiple times and I’d rather not re-hash the entire discussion here.

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TLDR:
It’s ridiculous and actively endangering people and causing rescue operations that these two kinds of ways are using the same tag in OSM.

highway=footway/cycleway/bridleway/path are about more than just legal access and have implications about the quality of the path and the practicality of using it. Sub-tags can mitigate some of this but are inadequate for solving this issue.

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As a sidenote, I’m curious why people keep insisting that footway/cycleway is only about legal access when that is completely untrue for other highway=* tags.