Откаты правок

evgeniyakz · 2023-09-11T11:17:59.795Z

Мне @chnav написал что не каментирую правки и их откатить надо , тогда все удаленные вернутся мусором и будет долго грузиться . На навигаторе будут только значки без слоя.
Так что придумайте скрипт какой для сортировки.
Я не могу писать каменты так как не знаю что писать.

pesec · 2023-09-12T03:29:48.835Z

evgeniyakz:

Я не могу писать каменты так как не знаю что писать.

Что значит, не знаешь что писать?
Что менял/вносил в правке, то и опиши кратко.

evgeniyakz · 2023-09-12T04:58:02.382Z

Ну когда массово удалять пишу ошибка , это не правильно ?
Так как точки границ совпадают с линиями речек и улиц , при изменении получается разрыв , и не делают отношения .

pesec · 2023-09-12T05:12:09.289Z

evgeniyakz:

Ну когда массово удалять пишу ошибка , это не правильно ?
Так как точки границ совпадают с линиями речек и улиц , при изменении получается разрыв , и не делают отношения

Не понимаю. Давай пример.
Если такое исправляешь, то и пиши не просто ошибка, а “разделение границ полигона и линии реки” например.

evgeniyakz · 2023-09-12T07:18:44.467Z

pesec:

Не понимаю. Давай пример.

Я не умею ссылки делать на гайд чайнджсета .

Eugeny_B · 2023-09-12T10:14:38.869Z

В Крыму попорчены Российские границы

OpenStreetMap

Relation: ‪Севастополь‬ (‪3788485‬) | OpenStreetMap

OpenStreetMap is a map of the world, created by people like you and free to use under an open license.

OpenStreetMap

Relation: ‪Южный федеральный округ‬ (‪1059500‬) | OpenStreetMap

OpenStreetMap is a map of the world, created by people like you and free to use under an open license.

OpenStreetMap

Relation: ‪Автономна Республіка Крим‬ (‪3795586‬) | OpenStreetMap

OpenStreetMap is a map of the world, created by people like you and free to use under an open license.

OpenStreetMap

Relation: ‪Яны Капу‬ (‪3826854‬) | OpenStreetMap

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Я не умею ни править, ни откатывать, да и учиться мне поздно - пенсионер. Может кто поправит, пожалуйста.

Eugeny_B · 2023-09-12T10:17:54.439Z

В Южном федеральном округе отсутствует ссылка на Автономную республику Крым, Севастополь и Крым стали UA вместо RU, ГО Красноперекопск стал UA и сменил имя.

mini-me · 2023-10-02T13:54:15.936Z

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Бердникова/history
И куда только модераторы слоя дорог смотрят…

Stalker61 · 2023-10-02T18:11:17.210Z

А вот и скорее всего коллега
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/antonsk/history#map=6/63.789/44.004

luiswoo · 2023-10-03T14:35:44.129Z

Changeset: 141889959 | OpenStreetMap — Это типа признание DWG: “Я устал, ямухожук”?
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-suspicious?uid=20352536#5/50.121/32.783

Stalker61 · 2023-10-04T07:25:36.972Z

И еще функционеры появились Changeset: 142102138 | OpenStreetMap
А вот и госпожа Бердникова откомментировала свою точку зрения Changeset: 142084899 | OpenStreetMap

rvb-glas · 2023-11-03T08:51:36.889Z

И снова тоже самое. Changeset: 143340008 | OpenStreetMap - опять в UA, и чуть раньше от того же пользователя - правки по Симферополю аналогичные.

VShkaberda · 2023-11-03T12:25:59.062Z

I didn’t know about existence Republic of Crimea until now. There’s a chance people don’t know about it and confuse it with Autonomous Republic of Crimea Relation: ‪Автономна Республіка Крим‬ (‪72639‬) | OpenStreetMap. Because it exists only among russian society, I’d suggest to remove this relation completely from the global map, espesially because it’s mapped onto territory of the another country.

Grass-snake · 2023-11-03T17:16:18.574Z

I have no idea what the Autonomous Republic of Crimea is, maybe some historical name. When I wanted to go on vacation, I was looking for hotels in the Republic of Crimea. I studied the local legislation, it turned out to be Russian, I didn’t find a single fact pointing to another country.

There is a lot of outdated information on the OSM map, most recently corrected place=locality, which was abandoned a long time ago and now there are not even traces of the historical place.
Personally, I prefer “Truth on the Ground” rule, fortunately in this case it is one.

VShkaberda · 2023-11-03T17:38:26.822Z

Grass-snake:

I have no idea what the Autonomous Republic of Crimea

What a shame, let’s help other to be a little less ignorant too:

en.wikipedia.org

Autonomous Republic of Crimea

in Ukraine (light yellow) in the Crimean Peninsula The Autonomous Republic of Crimea is an administrative division of Ukraine encompassing most of Crimea that was annexed by Russia in 2014. The Autonomous Republic of Crimea occupies most of the peninsula, while the City of Sevastopol (a city with special status within Ukraine) occupies the rest.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/a76260-situation-human-rights-autonomous-republic-crimea-and-city

U.S. Embassy in Ukraine

Illegal Occupation of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea Archives

Human rights situation in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the
City of Sevastopol, Ukraine, 31 August 2023

Grass-snake:

I prefer “Truth on the Ground” rule

What does TOTG mean in case of an administrative division? A sign near the road at the border of the place?

Grass-snake · 2023-11-03T18:09:42.498Z

VShkaberda:

What does TOTG mean in case of an administrative division? A sign near the road at the border of the place?

This rule primarily means that if I want to buy a house or a car in Crimea, then I will register the transaction with a Russian government agency. If I start a business there, I will pay taxes to the Russian treasury (and, of course, I cannot do business without registering an organization under Russian law). And if I want to buy milk in a store, I will give Russian rubles, not Ukrainian hryvnia. If I want to find out the population in a certain area in the Crimea, then this information is available in the Russian statistical office. These and many other factors influence the TotG.

VShkaberda · 2023-11-04T12:03:47.255Z

Grass-snake:

if I want to buy a house or a car in Crimea, then I will register the transaction with a Russian government agency. If I start a business there, I will pay taxes to the Russian treasury.

If company X single-handedly decides anyone should get “permission” to build a house or start a business in Village N — it doesn’t mean Village N should be mapped as property of the company X. It is known as racketeering.

Grass-snake:

And if I want to buy milk in a store, I will give Russian rubles

In Turkey I used to pay in both Turkish lira and US dollars — it doesn’t mean something should be mapped as the part of the USA because of this.

Grass-snake:

If I want to find out the population in a certain area in the Crimea, then this information is available in the Russian statistical office.

There are some documents about flat Earth too. Should we remap osm as the flat Earth, because there are some documents that some people like to believe in?

Grass-snake · 2023-11-04T18:16:20.311Z

VShkaberda:

If company X single-handedly decides anyone should get “permission” to build a house or start a business in Village N — it doesn’t mean Village N should be mapped as property of the company X. It is known as racketeering.

I didn’t really understand the example. In this case, we are talking about the country and all the people who have chosen this power decide. If you have racketeers in your city, call the police.

VShkaberda:

In Turkey I used to pay in both Turkish lira and US dollars — it doesn’t mean something should be mapped as the part of the USA because of this.

In Turkey, this may be a legal payment method. Russian laws apply in Crimea, as it is the territory of Russia. Any other currency can only be exchanged at banks or exchange offices. Even if the seller agrees to accept another currency, then most likely this amount will already be in rubles in the documents.

VShkaberda:

There are some documents about flat Earth too. Should we remap osm as the flat Earth, because there are some documents that some people like to believe in?

I can answer the same thing: if one thing is written in some documents and another in others, then you can come to the place to make sure which document is false or contains outdated information. This is what “Truth on the ground” rule is called.

VShkaberda · 2023-11-04T20:50:46.783Z

Grass-snake:

I didn’t really understand the example. In this case, we are talking about the country and all the people who have chosen this power decide. If you have racketeers in your city, call the police.

Let’s consider a real-world example if the analogy is hard to understand: some criminal (claimed by The International Criminal Court) signed some papers, which led to the fact that in Crimea the situation is “if somebody want to buy a house or a car in Crimea, then I will register the transaction with a Russian government agency. If I start a business there, I will pay taxes to the Russian treasury”. Alas, there is no police analogue in the world for this case.

Grass-snake:

In Turkey, this may be a legal payment method…

At first you stated, that payment currency determines belonging of the territory. Now you are saying th opposite — belonging of the territory determines a legal payment method. And FFS, how is the payment method defines administrative division? This makes no sense.

Grass-snake:

I can answer the same thing: if one thing is written in some documents and another in others, then you can come to the place to make sure which document is false or contains outdated information. This is what “Truth on the ground” rule is called.

We are talking about “administrative division” — you can’t “come to the place to make sure” because there is no such a thing as “this sq. miles of the land are named Wonderful-Republic-Crimea-Call-It-By-Any-Name” marked on the surface of the earth.

All I am saying is these examples couldn’t be applied as “Truth on the ground”.

Sergey_Astakhov · 2023-11-04T23:31:34.550Z

VShkaberda:

We are talking about “administrative division”

Ну и чем вам мешает иметь два отношения границ? Для чего вы хотите удалить одно из них? Две страны претендуют на спорную территорию - ну вот и пусть каждая из них имеет по своему комплекту. А пользователи карт сами решат какая из них им нужнее.