Är det Digitransit-modellen som dom använder i HSL du tänker på?
Digitransit använder sig av den otp funktionen så typ
För att återgå till ursprungsfrågan
Jag är för att flytta highway=bus_stop till platsen för hållplatsskylten/plattformen. Resten av världen verkar tagga så och då tycker jag att vi inte ska göra annorlunda.
Jag tycker dock public_transport=stop_position inklusive ref-taggar ska få vara kvar på själva vägen.
ref är bokstavskoden på hållplatsen, A, B, etc?
Ja, korrekt
The data is from Trafiklab (Samtrafiken). It is a merger of the Sweden stops data register and the Sweden Netex feed, to get as much information as possible. It is also cross referenced with the Sweden GTFS3 feed to filter for stops which are actually in use by bus routes.
These Swedish datasets contains the regional data. You may look up regions through the network=*
tag.
Routes in GTFS have thousands of changes during a year, often on a daily basis. Apps could load today’s routes from Trafiklab, and then use the gtfs:stop_id=*
tag in OSM for local pedestrian routing around the platform.
Thanks for replying, could you clear up why show stations have unsigned_ref instead of ref? Norrlandsgatan in Uppsala is one such stop. Looking at the nsr2osm code this doesn’t make sense as it has a PublicCode in both the stopsdata and Sweden data.
When it comes to gtfs:stop_id I would like to have the regional ones as well but I could always add those my self so it’s not something which needs to be addressed (espacally since I belive some were noticable incorrect/weird). Would there be a problem with also putting these in gtfs:stop_id as ; separeted values?
The slight problem with this is that it won’t work out of the box with NeTex in OTP but this can be solved quite easily before load the data so souldn’t be an issue.
Med tanke på ursprungsfrågan så håller jag med om att Highway=bus_stop borde finnas på sidan av vägen helst kopplat till gångnätet.
Vore också bra med förtydning kring hur en route ska mappas om det endast ska vara på en node respective way eller både nod och way, det kanske redan står någonstans iofs men jag skulle gärna vilja veta vart.
Thanks for replying, could you clear up why show stations have unsigned_ref instead of ref?
In OSM, ref=*
is used when a sign is present in the street (with the relevant quay identifier (A, B, C etc), otherwise, unsigned_ref=*
is used. The dataset does not contain any information about physical signes, so the PublicCode name is slightly misleading. Therefore, in the OSM file, an assumption has been made that two or less bus stops in a cluster (StopPlace) are not signed, while three or more are signed. The latter case would typically cover larger stop areas in cities, which are often signed.
When it comes to gtfs:stop_id I would like to have the regional ones as well
These id’s are available, but I am thinking that it would be one more thing which could become outdated. There are several hundred changes in stop places and corresponding id’s each month. Also, some of the “central station” type stop places have a large number of regional id’s associated with each quay. I think it would be better to stick to one set of id’s which could be updated regularly. Conflicting id’s would then not have to be handled, and international users/developers would not be confused. Apps which would like to use the regional id’s could easily look up the corresponding national id in Trafiklab’s stop register.
Borde hellre vara nåt i stil med local_id
. Att skriva GTFS_ID eller NETEX_ID säger ju inget om källan, eller vilket GTFS-datasett den kommer från. Det är ju bara datautväxlingsformaten
Det som kommer i NeTEx-datan är ju Samtrafikens ID, och där finner man väl också en del ursprungs-id från regionerna etc.
Vadan detta fokus på att det ska funka i OTP? Är det nån aktör i Sverige som ska börja implementera Digitransit-lösningen i Sverige?
Det enda man får av att direktkoppla OSM-noder och NeTEx-hållplatserna är möjligheten att knyta OTP’s sökpunkt direkt till en nod i sökgrafen. Detta är inte ett krav för att OTP ska fungera, utan bara en extra feature som man ansett varit nyttig i HSL. Ey, @houtari
The GTFS proposal defines gtfs:stop_id:<feed_id>
if a stop has different IDs in multiple GTFS feeds:
Example: gtfs:stop_id:DE-BY-MVG=de:09162:1179:3:1-Hst
and gtfs:stop_id:DE-BY-MVV=de:09162:1179:3:KIF 1
for the same stop defined in two different GTFS feeds.