Route 66 - multiple relations?

I had a whole long post about how part of route 66 was in the wrong place, but I think I was confused because there are two routes, one for historic US route 66, and a similar cycle route that follows several roads that are less busy and safer for cyclists, but located up to 10 miles away from the real route 66. This is correct, yes?

Here are some of the ID numbers of specific route relations I’m looking at:
Relation: 12442123 is part of Historic Route 66
Relation: 7507587 - the above one seems to duplicate part of this one unless I’m missing something.
Relation: 66 (Oklahoma, east) (14053022), eastbound Oklahoma cycle route.
Relation: 66 (Oklahoma, west) (13999657), westbound Oklahoma cycle route.
Relation: 66 (super) (8498552), super-relation for cycle route.
Relation: Historic US 66 (super) (93155), super-relation for historic Route 66.

U.S. Route 66 was decommissioned in 1985. If any route relation purports to represent that route, it’s probably lying, because the 1985 alignment is no longer contiguous due to highway realignments.

OpenHistoricalMap is the best place to reconstruct all the old alignments. So far, we’ve mapped the route around its endpoints in Los Angeles and Chicago and through much of Arizona and Oklahoma. But almost none of it is in route relations yet. We’d welcome any help in completing this route, given its importance to the U.S. in the 20th century.

Any route relation tagged network=US:US:Historic represents Historic Route 66, which is part of the America’s Byways program. Participating states post a shield that resembles the old U.S. 66 shield, but it isn’t a real U.S. Route shield. Depending on the state, this route may precisely follow the old alignment, sometimes giving you a choice of era, or it may only vaguely follow the old route along modern highways. These relations go wherever the signs go.

Ideally, any route that crosses state lines should have a route relation for each state, joined by a route superrelation, since it’s technically multiple routes that happen to share the same number. That’s even more apparent from the diversity of signage above.

When AASHTO decommissioned U.S. 66, some states maintained the old route number as a state route. In Oklahoma, State Highway 66 and Historic Route 66 are largely concurrent:

This is not at all uncommon: often, when a state decommissions one of its own routes, it reverts to a county route by the same number, as a last-ditch attempt to salvage some prestige and economic benefit for the communities along the route.

Like the U.S. Numbered Highway System, the U.S. Bicycle Route System assigns even numbers to east–west routes, increasing from north to south. This means bike routes and highway routes of the same number can meet or overlap.

There are three relations in Oklahoma because routes with signposted cardinal directions should ideally have unidirectional route relations.

Aside from these examples, be on the lookout for other route relations that don’t correspond to anything on the ground. Over the years, roadgeeks have attempted to maintain relations in OSM that represent private tours approximating the old route as closely as possible, but on modern streets according to some criteria. These route relations are misleading at best. If they’re still around, they should be deleted.

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Thank you for the information. I was already aware of the fact that OpenStreetMap should only reflect current reality on the ground, and exclude anything that doesn’t exist anymore. But I don’t pay a lot of attention to signs reflecting historic routes, so I didn’t actually know if Oklahoma had those signs everywhere, or just in a few areas. I was also unaware of the US bicycle route system, and before today I hadn’t even noticed that the routes I originally thought were mistaken were actually tagged as bicycle routes.

I did quite a bit of research over the last couple of days, making sure I could prove that the route was in the wrong place (before I noticed it said it was a cycle route), so I ran across some sites that may be helpful for you, to map the historical US Route 66.

  1. Route 66 Map - the information on this web site seems to be complete and correct, agreeing with the other sources I consulted.
  2. Oklahoma Route 66 association has a map with suggested route to take for tourists, following roads that still exist and the most interesting old route in places where it had changed over the years.
  3. historical aerial photography digitized by the Oklahoma Corporation Commission. There are plenty of photographs dating back to 1941. Supposedly some earlier but I didn’t find any.
  4. Tulsa and Oklahoma historical maps and aerial photos on the Batesline web site. This is how I found the resource above, but there are a plethora of other links I didn’t explore.

Finally, I was unaware that the US route 66 had been decommissioned so early. While looking at parts of the old route, I noticed the original TIGER data from 2008 still had some roads named as US Highway 66. And I thought that when I had been driving around northeastern Oklahoma in the 1990s and 2000s, I was still driving on US Highway 66. Are you sure that it was already only a state highway at that time?

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Thanks, we’re collecting resources like this on the OSM Wiki. It’ll come in handy once we’re ready to take some focus off the Interstate system.

Yes, AASHTO is the authority on those designations. They decommissioned U.S. 66 piecemeal as various Interstates bypassed it. The remaining segments from Missouri through Arizona were decommissioned in June 1985. (The AARoads Wiki maintains a comprehensive index of AASHTO minutes for determining when a U.S. Route, Interstate highway, or U.S. Bicycle Route changed in any significant way, though the minutes can often lack detail or context.)

TIGER 2005 (the version we imported in 2008) had a lot of very outdated names. Even today, the road names in TIGER often confuse U.S. Highways with state highways or county highways, especially if you look in the name_1=* and name_2=* keys. Street names and colloquial usage can also lag behind the official route designations by many years.

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