Jestem początkującym użytkownikiem i chcę się dowiedzieć kto dodał do tej mapy https://www.openstreetmap.org/ -północną obwodnicę Milanówka w dwóch wariantach. Czy ktoś jest mi w stanie pomóc? Byłem w urzędach różnych i nikt nic nie wie o tym, żeby ta obwodnica miała przebiegać w taki sposób.
Stąd też chcę zweryfikować kto ją wprowadził. Tam ma iść obwodnica ale w ramach strategii rozwoju otoczenia CPK i to jest tylko zmierzenie planistyczne a nie gotowa koncepcja. Także jak ktoś narysował już konkret to pytanie czy to czyjaś fantazja? Jest to o tyle dla mnie ważne, że prowadzi przez mój nowy dom i kilkadziesiąt innych domów.
Osoba edytujaca pod nickiem Perimex - wielokrotnie blokowany (po moich zgłoszeniach) za dodawanie fikcyjnych planowanych budów. Patrz Blocks on Perimex | OpenStreetMap
Chyba dodawał co uważał że powinno być zbudowane, może nie rozumiał że dodanie tego na OpenStreetMap nie zmieni planów GDDKiA?
Generalnie nie jestem zwolennikiem mapowania takich rzeczy w OSM i z highway=proposed dość sporo walczyłem. Sporo tych proponowanych dróg co Perimex dodawał skasowałem już lata temu. Ale widać za mało, trzeba pewnie skasować niemal wszystkie highway=proposed co Perimex dodał, patrz overpass turbo
Sorry, dear DWG, but we don’t have a full-time flat surface maintenance person here.
We need the ability to stop such cases at an early stage.
Our resources are limited. Who will clean up many other things. Despite reports of sometimes multiple blockages, DWG allows such pests to continue editing.
Perhaps now is an opportune moment to remind everyone that we’re all volunteers - individual mapper communities, working groups, the board, etc.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Maria%20Piotr%20Walkowiak/history appeared in a DWG issue queue this morning. To repeat what it says here, if you see a problem please report it by email. We won’t see chatter in private Discord groups, and things that are reported by the website won’t come to us in most cases.
With regard to the Perimex edits, they were three years ago - I’m a bit surprised that there’s anything left after this much time. Most highly active OSM communities (and Poland definitely is that) would have tidied these up within days if not weeks. This long after there is no “magic revert button” that anyone can press - the edits will need to be undone manually.
With regard to people like https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/18269, we can only act on the reports that we see. Please report specific issues (user was asked not to do X but did it again in changeset Y). Do not say “user X is always a problem”, as that is not something we can act on.
Przy pisaniu do wielu miejsc w wielu sprawach to mogę mieć opóźnienie z byciem na bieżąco kiedy i kogo zablokowano (powiadomień o tym racze nie ma).
Walkowiak. Już trzeci czy czwarty raz dziś o nim piszę tu i tam. Na Discordzie dziś pewnie też ale powtórzę.
Tydzień temu albo dwa wysłałem wchodząc na jego konto i wybierając zgłoś tego użytkownika. Oczywiście brak informacji zwrotnej co się z tym dalej dzieje. Dziś też po wzmiance na Discordzie wysłałem na data@openstreetmap.org
Prawdopodobnie ostatnio zgłosiło go ze dwie osoby. Raczej na pewno pavvv i może ktoś jeszcze.
FanMentzena vel Barroszt też ja i ktoś inny. Barroszt już miał blokady i pewnie jutro wróci cały na biało.
Ten żart to taki pół żartem pół serio. Już jakiś czas optuję za utworzeniem lokalnych “Strażników Teksasu” dla każdego kraju bo lokalni użytkownicy łatwiej wyłapują różne niuanse i podobno dotarła ta propozycja do DWG.
Jako lokalsi zablokowali byśmy takich by nie mogli edytować dalej do czasu poprawienia lub jeżeli mają problem to niech oni się bujają z tłumaczeniem w DWG ale przynajmniej w tym czasie nie natworzą kolejnego dziadostwa a przynajmniej w mniejszej skali.
Pamiętasz jak gość w okolicach Pilzna rysował ścieżki rowerowe. Nie nadążałem z reverterem bo między czasie pisałem do niego komentarze i wiadomości prywatne.
Sprawa Perimex-a to wiadomo że już spróchniała i w ramach wolnotariatu może ktoś to dalej pociągnie ale Barroszt i inni oraz nowi kandydaci wrócą jutro lub za tydzień i cyrk zacznie się na nowo.
Wiesz jak jest. Większość leci z edycjami nowości a poprzednie pozostają bez aktualizacji. Sam wstawiasz uwagi o drogach polnych prowadzących do zabudowań. Nudna robota i już mi się nie chce a dodatkowo tracimy czas na powtórki z Barrosztem i innymi.
Podstawowy problem to brak kontaktu, opisów zmian oraz brak możliwości natychmiastowego powstrzymania nawet ewidentnych wandalizmów czy błędów wynikających z kompletnej niewiedzy jakiegoś amatora malarstwa abstrakcyjnego.
I’d like to point out that it doesn’t appear that anyone is welcoming new mappers in the country. I find it useful to catch new mappers that like to vandalize. Catching them early doesn’t give them a chance to believe they can get away with it.
If you are interested, check out the welcome tool that the Belgium community supports and hosts. So far this month there have been over 200 new mappers in Poland. That is a lot. By welcoming them, you can provide them with information on the community that will help grow it.
This does not mean that we have to waste limited human resources (limited processing power) on corrections and fruitless discussions with people who often should not even be editing in OSM.
This wasted time can be used much more effectively on subsequent editions, updates to previous ones, etc.
As DWG, you should know perfectly well where the problems are and what is causing unnecessary work for you and us and how to limit it. The topic has been discussed many times over many years.
I believe that the actions taken so far cause more losses than benefits because we are wasting time and the current procedures are a punishment and a slap in the face for normal editors. Many good editors left because they had enough.
Some external recipients of data and even ordinary people often skip OSM when they see certain things on the map.
Some problematic users who are so well taken care of by the current procedures and end their “career” by themselves, leaving the dumpster for freelancers. This dumpster sometimes explodes after many years, even many times.
So what is this for? Wrong procedure.
The example of FanMentzen (Barroszt) shows this perfectly and others like it.
Do the OSM authorities think that all of us have time and desire for an endless story.
At this time and considering the number of reports for this user, every OSM moderator should be familiar with the case. Just look at the documentation, and it is often reported by users with a proven reputation.
Each country should have local administrators authorized to immediately, temporarily block unreliable accounts, often to “force” contact and preliminary clarification.
If the case is more complicated, you can try to solve it locally in a larger group. If the problem is bigger, let the blocked user refer to DWG without wasting our time and creating new problems that would have to be solved by volunteers.
OSM help yourself and us, and we will help OSM. We will save a lot of time, nerves and do more or better than wasting time and will.
I’m sorry that there’s so much noise in the local discussions and that there’s no one here but us right now.
I don’t speak English. I use a translator. I wanted to reply quickly so I didn’t verify the text well.
From my observations and experience, most new mappers leave very quickly.
Even faster when they are welcomed and even faster when their mistakes are pointed out. They hate contact, and especially when they realize that editing a map requires some learning and effort.
Often, when someone points out something they don’t like, they react pretentiously, rudely and consider it as something bad. They prefer to make mistakes.
Do you know how much time we waste analyzing other users’ edits, writing comments? We waste it because they know “better” anyway and very often never answer questions?
I was the bad guy because I pointed out to a user the descriptive names or that culvert is drawn differently. He thinks his GPS receiver is infallible.
Often they don’t even know that someone wrote to them.
I myself often pulled messages from OSM to me from the spam folder in my email program, but I check my accounts.
I’ve seen many nice comments with the word “Please” repeated many times and nothing. Waste of time.
Reporting more drastic cases to DWG often results in only a temporary break for the accused, and then the fun begins again.
Many editors are loners, even highly skilled ones. Just look at them and they hide or attack.
@grzegorz75jan In your two posts above there is not a single specific example of a problem. Without examples there is literally nothing anyone else can do.
Please - try and be part of the solution and not part of the problem.
Let’s be serious. How many reports do you receive from all over the world and how many of them are repeated over and over again.
There are many similar discussions on the forum.
Is the problem invented or real and repeatable.
I ask again. How many more times will we report, for example, user FanMentzen and how much time will we waste on it. Is the problem in me and others who think similarly, or is the problem in the procedures and… ideology of OSM correctness?
Many people know what I often talk about and could present it better than me.
I see that this and previous discussions are leading nowhere, so I will simply edit and avoid wasting time correcting things after people who only edit new objects, sometimes with big errors, and practically never correct after themselves.
Maybe there will be some volunteers for dirty work. I am tired of correcting after people who actively edit but do not fix even after being brought to their attention.
My time is limited and I want to devote some of that time to Wikimedia Commons. I can’t afford to fight windmills.
On my part, I did what I could to limit some undesirable phenomena occurring in OSM.
Update:
I will also avoid areas where there is a mess left by actively editing pests who do not respond to warnings or do not read. Sometimes I will remove a fragment (most often combined e.g. landuse with a road or some fiction).
I do not want to waste time collecting documentation and writing reports.
Maybe you are overloaded with some things and some things escape your attention (I mean DWG and OSM administration). Don’t take it personally.
Thanks for the effort to read my (lingually incorrect) posts.
I think the main thing is that the user FanMentzena/Barroszt has had such a long history of vandalisms and has gotten so many blocks, he deserves a perma-block at this point. It’s all visible in his block history and in the comments under his changesets.
if you are complaining about DWG not blocking obvious vandals it would be useful to mention one or two of ten specific vandals with specific problems (FanMentzena AKA Barroszt is blocked right now)
this way they can be blocked
then also do not waste time on complaints that fail to include anything specific, it just wastes DWG time
It’s you, DWG, who’ve joined this discussion and started the english thread. The culprit has been identified on the start - Perimex - and you are asking for a specific examples even if the topis is the example in itself. If you want more - FanMentzena nickname has a politician implication - a fan of Sławomir Mentzen - google it yourself and you will understand more that local sheriff would know from the start that there should be no one with such a nickname at some point of time moreover if their changesets are questionable - “not sure if trolling or…”.
I’m just a beginner. I can confirm that if I was more educated from the start I would be sooner a better mapper. That’s great you are trying now to promote welcoming newbies. And now more experienced mappers want to feel more automated power with the bad ones.
