For the issue you spotted in Hoogstraten, well, that prison is in the Dutch speaking part of the country so it is not really an issue if it has no French name.
What are the license issues you mention? The federal government is usually the most clear when it comes to reusing the contents of their website, and indeed here it says it’s free of copyright: https://justice.belgium.be/fr/general_pages/gebruiksvoorwaarden
In Dendermonde (Termonde) your dataset still has the old location for the prison. The new location was already in OSM (I did have to update the old one as closed) and is also correctly mentioned on the website. You CSV is a little older then I guess?
Standardized the two FPC faciltities as a special type of hospital, not a prison
Working on adding operator tags to all prisons, making it possible to filter away stuff like youth prisons, operated by the regions.
Ah, I understand. Thanks for raising it here instead of trying to fix the whole world by yourself
There’s quite a few healthcare:speciality=forensic_psychiatry institutes mapped around Europe, see overpass turbo. I would recommend simply adding that tag to your query (if you need all the prisons) or create an alternative tagging proposal. I can’t find any documentation on this specific tag on the wiki though…
On OSM prisons are often outdated (for example, Russia) unfortunately, on OSM, there is no data on capacity and year of construction, which is why I will need to continue changing the world alone, while I do not find people who will want to join…
Right, if finished reviewing all the prisons in Belgium. All of them now have an operator:wikidata and operator tag. If you want just the “traditional”, federally managed prisons, you can filter by operator:wikidata=Q1469956.
Some special cases:
There’s a few more youth prisons, which maybe should be social centers as well? I’ve left them as amenity=prison and added operator:wikidata=Q110709435 + operator=Opgroeien or operator=Fédération Wallonie-Bruxelles + operator:wikidata=Q89959
By the end, I started adding capacity & start date as well, which is usually documented on that federal website. I used this query overpass turbo to keep track of my edits. Should be easy to adapt that to highlight prisons still missing some details you’re interested in.
It might also be worth making a MapComplete theme, where you can create a map on this topic that can highlight the tags you’d like to see added. It could even link to MapRoulette to suggest edits to existing prisons.
Just added two more prisons: the “transitiehuizen” (Mechelen and Gent. I found prison=pre_release as a good tag to describe what they do. I couldn’t find a wikidata tag for the operator, as it seems to be an ad hoc cooperation between two other organizations. I did add operator:type=private to indicate it’s a privately run prison.
We also need this info at work, so I went and added capacity info (and completed start_date): Changeset: 145031807 | OpenStreetMap
capacity is always the grand total, de facto capacity.
If there is no capacity:female, that means it’s an all male prison. I did not add capacity:male.
I added capacity:psychiatry where available. When there was no concrete number, than I did not add a tag. So lack of tag does not mean there is definitely no psychiatric division there.
In Dendermonde, they seem to be still building, while already being open. So I added capacity:planned there.
On some pages they said stuff like “we have space for 100 people, but we actually have 250 people most of the time”. I’ve added the 100 under capacity:theoretically and the 250 under capacity in those cases.
I think it would be better to have the “capacity” express the designed for capacity, and have the actual number of current occupancy in a different tag. Using a feature with more than the designed for capacity usually means compromising
Sorry for intervening, but is it really a good idea to have the actual capacity tagged in? It’s something that constantly changes, making it an ephemeral statistic for the end user.
Having the designated capacity only tagged in, makes more sense and in verifiability point of view, regardless of the actual usage which would be needed to be checked constantly, and I doubt prisons make frequent public stats their capacity.
The “actual capacity” is not something that changes all the time, it’s more like “we’ve built this for 600 people but then decided we can just cram 200 more beds in there”. That makes it something relatively static, and to my intuition something close to a regular capacity=* tag. What would be you suggestion for this, Dieter?
I’ve standardized the closed detention centres for rejected asylum centres to amenity=prison + prison=rejected_asylum_seekers for now. Maybe some input below can lead to a retagging.
For actual capacity, you could consider capacity:de_facto=*.
There’s a suggestion for bicycle:de_facto=yes on the access=* page. I’ve been experimenting with dog=leashed + dog:de_facto=unleashed on climbing gyms to map that dogs are frequently unleashed without staff intervening. :de_factois currently only used 5 times now but it seems like a sensible tag to me, although it may look like it’s inviting to map stuff that’s harder to verify.
