Is leonardashley87330 another one of your accounts? The discussion here makes it look like both accounts are yours: Changeset: 134806147 | OpenStreetMap.
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My conclusion was right:
And I’ll gladly repeat the formal and technical issues, with most (if not all) edits in Switzerland:
- The changeset comment, doesn’t fit the changeset content at all. If the comment field is too short, you’re changeset is too large – simple as that.
- The changeset lacks (valid) sources. There’s no way, the size, structure, elevation or population of a village or suburb are retrieved from Orthophotos (aerial imagery). Same goes for all the names, that should either be determined OTG or through OGD with a compatible license. Also road categories are determinded OTG according to the actual signage, and not by gut feeling.
- Wikipedia is not a valid, compatible source, as @habi told you in Changeset 134806147. By using an incompatible source, you didn’t just waste your time, but basically wasted all our time. Instead of copying from Wikipedia something that might be incorrect or already outdated, I’d suggest you start reading the OSM-Wiki.
- It’s not the problem of the Swiss community, that you don’t like, how we handle bilingual names. How the bilingual cities like Biel/Bienne and Fribourg/Freiburg handle bilingualism is for them to determine. Same goes for all other regions dealing with bilingualism including Graubünden, Misox, Valais and so on.
And to circle back to what @hfs said: if you waste your time, because you didn’t get acquainted with any of the rules, that’s on you. But you clearly don’t show any respect for other peoples’ time and work, instead you revert your incorrect changes back, just because you “don’t like [your] work being wasted”. Sorry, but that’s on you and no justification at all.
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note that people reverting them are not paid to contribute to OpenStreetMap either
Can you stop creating and deleting series of accounts? This is not helpful in general, makes contacting user impossible so unclear edits cannot be explained and need to be reverted - even if in usual case it would be possible to explain what is going on.
Please use a single account so people can contact you (there are good reasons for separate accounts in rare cases, but they do not apply here).
The next step would be to stop deleting accounts and use a single one for all you edits.
Also, if some edits were reverted: please discuss it with others what is the preferred version and why, rather than trying to revert changes, each with a separate account.
EDIT 9 days later: given nonending cycle of throwaway accounts and refusal to communicate, it is clear that you are malicious vandal that should be reverted on sight. Please stop editing in OSM.
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Just to keep people here up to speed, “@yannis323” has created some more accounts, included but not limited to GianlucaTrani85, leonardashley87330, francisdouglas88614. Most edits by the new ones are simple “revert to force my opinion on everyone else” and have themselves been blocked until they contact the DWG and reverted to the status quo ante.
Objects last edited by yannis323 include these. Some of those changes do look OK; some perhaps less so.
For example, this shop may be spelt slighly oddly, or it may not - I’ve no idea.
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The Pascal Neis page has labelled this person as ‘hit-and-run’', the pie chart cuts are of never seen before and created 41 lines of routing issues. 2 users blocked, no idea how, and 1 active block Training for something.
Saw a mapper last night tagging street long bridges in a desert town across nothing, two_way labelled roads taking the wrong side with a playground on the roundabout center island. Thats how this comes across too.
At this exact moment there are at least 4 active accounts of this same user. He collected 14 blocks. He is well know in Wikipedia as well where he collected 5 warnings and 2 blocks with the following motive: “Edit war, personal attacks, uncooperative attitude”.
It’s crazy the amount of time ONE single user can waste on a community/DWG. I think at other cases such as the Greece vandal: here
Time to revert, fix, look for fake accounts. It takes all the fun of the mapping out. I wonder if the current sistema is fitting the increasing number of users in OSM, or if we should re-think it (as someone suggest already in the past, as in here).
Seems to me that the current schema benefits this kind of users. Just create new accounts and keep editing as you want, at a certain point the other person will stop reporting you and that’s all.
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On numerous occasions, during the Geminiani S mass deletion incidents, I was very tempted to interpret the extremely slow action by the moderation team as siding with the vandalism: that has the potential to severely damage trust in OSM.
Note that simple reverts can be relatively easily done by anyone. Especially with hit and run accounts as @yannis323 account spam they sadly simply needs to be reverted until they go away.
I expect that DWG gives priority to cases like “someone imported 10 000 000 buildings on incompatible license, without discussion”.
(not sure is there public view of at least statistics of DWG tickets, like ‘23 reports active’? also not sure is there some open call for people to join DWG or some activity in this field)
not sure is the thread where someone from DWG posted yesterday
is the best place to complain about DWG inactivity.
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Hello everyone,
I’ve noticed that there;s quite a lot left by leonardashley87330. An overpass query to find that (which will still work if they delete their account) is here. Do those changes look OK, or does some of that need reverting?
Also,
We’ve had new accounts created by this user as “francisdouglas88614” (3 different accounts blocked here, here and here) and “freddieforbes” (2 different accounts blocked here and here). It wouldn’t surprise me to see more.
Best Regards,
Andy
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If only the ISP could be involved as this could turn into malice on whole other data objects.
Think of not only disabling the reuse of user names, but also not allowing to have an email address used more than once.
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Makes sense, upvoted. And thanks for you work in Italy.
Is this possible? I think this user is simply making new emails everytime.
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Another thought, why can every Joe Blow run reverts? Block that until someone has a mapping reputation which can only be given an override by the DWG. These tools have specific ID’s, according the Pascal Neis pages the one subject has used 2-3 different ones.
It’s possible, because it’s very easy to create new email addresses (for example, the domain that I use for most non-mailiing-list email allows me to put anything to the left of the “@” sign, so the email addresses that I have access to are limited only by my imagination).
Because it’s technically not that difficult to do so? There’s a widely used (mostly for good rather than ill) plugin for JOSM; and even websites running software such as https://github.com/Zverik/simple-revert are mostly used for good.
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vandals smart enough to use them are fairly rare and overall it would make dealing with vandalism worse, not easier
(though maybe it would be reasonable for revert tools to refuse working for accounts with <10 edits or registered <24h before? but in such case vandals like this specific one would just make more empty edits or vandalise manually)
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So the net is, not OSM but TOSM
(Exiting from further spending my time on the subject).
Can we please stop calling my edits “vandalism”? I’ve got yet to see any argument for why this would be the case.
Wouldn’t you be upset if someone reverted a bunch of your changesets that weren’t even disputed by anyone just because you deleted your account?
I can agree that maybe my methods are not the best, but words have a meaning, and whatever is what I did is surely not vandalism. It can be bad and still not be vandalism, if we use words knowing what they mean and not just because they sound bad.
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Se creare >15 sockpuppet account per eludere >18 blocchi non è vandalismo, non so cosa potrebbe esserlo. Se tu stessi agendo in buona fede, non avresti bisogno di sockpuppet.
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Un esempio tra molti, era dicembre 2021 quando fosti informato che Wikipedia non era una fonte valida per aggiungere ele=* e population=* nel database di OSM: Changeset: 114577827 | OpenStreetMap
Hai continuato ad aggiungere questo dato comunque, sia col tuo account principale che con sockpuppet. 12 giorni fa sei stato bacchettato per lo stesso motivo su un tuo sockpuppet: Changeset: 134806147 | OpenStreetMap
Dopo il blocco di quell’account hai continuato a creare altri account per importare ele=* e population=* sul database di OSM, pur avendo letto da diversi utenti che ciò non era possibile. Non è vandalismo?
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@Martino_Scaglione Normally I’d be the first to say that most problematical editing of OSM isn’t really vandalism at all, but just a different viewpoint or an error, or inexperience in editing.
Your behaviour, however, went beyond that. You have caused a considerable amount of work for the local community and the DWG. You have created numerous sock-puppet accounts (3 francisdouglas88614, 2 freddieforbes, and 10 or so others). Your first action with these accounts was often just to force through your view about some extremely trivial matter, such as the capitalisation of names. Often, other mappers’ edits that had no quarrel with you were blown away as collateral damage.
This behaviour is not OK. Although the OSMF ban policy has a very high threshold (and among the members of the DWG I’m usually the one arguing against permanent bans) what your have done exceeds what has caused other mappers to be banned permanently from the project. I would therefore suggest that you choose your next words and actions carefully.
Firstly, I think that you owe us all an apology for the way that you have behaved.
Secondly, a way to show that you are now editing in good faith would be to only use one account.
Thirdly, do not use any revert tools; in fact do not undo any other mappers’ edit for any reason whatsoever.
If you can do those three things and edit in peace with the other mappers in the region, then I’m sure that it’ll be possible for you to continue in the project. If not, I’m not so sure. To be clear, it wouldn’t just be my decision, but a repeat of your recent problem behaviour could well be enough to convince the DWG to exclude you from OSM.
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