Why do benches not show up in osm.org visited with the Firefox Browser?

When I look at osm.org with Firefox I do not see benches. I can chose any of the Layers and the benches show up in none. It makes no difference wether I am logged in or not.

In JOSM I can see and I could manipulate the benches.

Is that something I have to live with? Or is there a documented or undocumented setting to make benches visible in the browser?

Thanks for any tip!
Frank

That is not a problem of firefox. Generally benches show up a maximum zoom level like here

and I am using firefox as well. It works with most of the available layers (but not all).
Must be any other problem.

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Firstly, welcome back after 15 years!

Secondly, can you link to where you don’t see a bench? My guess is that the reason why you don’t see it will be different for different layers, but it would really help to see where you see the problem. I suspect that it will be just “everything very close together”. Try using the “Shortbread” layer that allows you to zoom in further. It does show benches.

Edit: The forum software flags people returning to the forum (presumably only to other users) with “It’s been a while since we’ve seen GC-Radler — their last post was 15 years ago.”

Thanks! It is very plausible to me that this is not a function of the browser itself. I wonder if the rendering is different for different locations.

Could you check wether you can see Node: 5839630839 today?
It does not show up in my browser no matter what Layer and with maximum zoom.

That’s odd. I see that on the Standard, CycleOsm, Tracetrack Topo and Shortbread layers. It’s not so close to everything else that I’d expect it to be obscured, and it’s been there 7 years so unlikely to be caching.

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Thanks for the welcome! But I was here in this year already. I usually do just single tiny corrections to nodes I found changed. Maybe you do not see the date when I am using JOSM.

Wow, that is weird in deed! Maybe the hefting censoring of web sites in Germany is doing that? :wink: But why benches?

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The standard layer is a raster layer, that is you are seeing small pictures generated from the OSM data on servers operated by the OSMF. It is kind of unlikely that the German government would bother with any kind of manipulation of those images, not to mention do it to hide benches from you.

It is quite a bit more likely that you, for whatever reason, have a cached old version of the tile for that location, I would suggest clearing the cache in your browser and then checking again.

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Trying to narrow this down a bit further…

If you look at the square (Plaza de la Merced) at this location:

… do you see any benches in the pedestrian area between the trees?

And do you see the group of waste/recycling icons I have highlighted in yellow in the screenshot? I think these also appear at max zoom, so it seems like they should behave similarly to benches.

Edited to add:
I didn’t realise until I read the post prior to mine that we haven’t definitively ruled out caching issues. If you haven’t already done so it’s certainly worth clearing your cache.

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Simon,
thanks a lot for granting any kind of sensible action to the German Government! I had tried the Tor browser and that showed the benches. So that would have supported my suspicion. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

But you are absolutely on target. Cleaning the browser cache did the trick.

What I then do not understand is why the cached version did not have the benches. They are in the map for seven years, as someoneElse also mentioned.

In any case, I am happy now, even if I do not understand the why. Thanks a lot to all of you!!
Frank

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I could come up with a lot of reasons, but they all seem to be rather unlikely given the time span of seven years, but clearly somewhere between you and the rendering system there was still an old tile.