Watercourse name appears incorrectly mapped

I have been adding watercourses to southwest Queensland from the Surface Hydrology Lines Australian Data Sources - OpenStreetMap Wiki recently and trying to preserve already well mapped waterways.
Hope Creek appears to be incorrectly named in OSM. I believe this area should be corrected to Ravensbourne Creek.

The view below shows the wider area with Ravensbourne Creek selected in red and Hope Creek in black/blue highlight just below the orange rectangle as named in the Surface Hydrology Lines dataset.

In OSM the section in the orange rectangle however, as shown below, where the creeks cross Paddy Behan Way, Hope Creek is depicted as red lines with a steak of Ravensborne Creek (sic) running through the area. Outside this area, it remains unmapped.
Near Athol (which leads into Athol Station) there is a creek crossing sign marked Hope Creek which I think is incorrect and has led to the mapping error and the source as “source:name=sign at Paddy Behan Way”.
A couple of other creek crossings were signed Ravensbourne Creek.

If there is consensus, I will rename Hope Creek in the orange rectangle area as Ravensbourne Creek. Otherwise I will leave as is.
I have been unable to find any Mapillary imagery along Paddy Behan Way naming Hope Creek but didn’t look very diligently and someone may have their own recent imagery.

I have made both and east and west pass on Paddy Behan of Mapillary imagery back in 2021, starting from the west end;


This has a Hope Creek sign;

And Ravensbourne Creek sign;

I did a single west to east photo travel that crosses the creeks, but found no sign for the Hopes Creek eastern extent. I did not check the east to west pass. Hope these are of some help to you.


A westbound Hope Creek sign;

A westbound Ravensbourne Creek sign;

Note that OSM currently has a “spur” or eastern extent/loop of Hope Creek between the east and west Ravensbourne signs, so if nothing else that should have a name change.


According to the QLD topo maps the junction between Hope and Ravensbourne is here OpenStreetMap. This matches what’s on the 1920 4 inch to a mile map https://apps.information.qld.gov.au/data/v2/HistoricalMaps/StaticMap/cadastral/cad-map-4mile-queensland-1st-series-sh7c-1920/original. However, by 1956 Hope Creek is shown as continuing down the west and joining after the road crossing https://apps.information.qld.gov.au/data/v2/HistoricalMaps/StaticMap/cadastral/cad-map-2mile-qld-2m176-1956/original.

So at some point someone decided that Hope Creek crossed the road and then later it’s been switched back.

By the way…all of the streams in this area seem to be currently flowing uphill.

Thanks for the help with this dilemma.
Because the signs were present in 2021 where mapped along Paddy Behan Way, I guess it is best to continue for now to map Hope Creek down the west side as depicted on the 1956 map with the eastern side as Ravensbourne Creek south to where the Blackall Adavale Road and Homebush meet and Hope Ck diverges from Ravensbourne Ck.

Because the Qld Topo and the Geoscience dataset both have the Hope/Ravensbourne junction further south near where the Blackall Adavale Road and Homebush meet, I will try to make some enquiries as to which is correct.

Here are the signs I spotted in Mapillary via Josm…
I couldn’t display your links bob3bob3, but they are likely those as below plus some back of sign shots. [edit…links worked fine on my phone]

If I remember… There is a small chance I’ll be traveling N-S through Blackall in 1-2 months, so can make a quick diversion and another Mapillary grab. Will msg you if this happens.

I have been concerned about using “logged in links” for Mapillary images so tnxs for the advice about Josm.


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I have mapped the Hope and Ravensbourne Creek waterways now.
Hope Ck now extends north from where it ended in the Geoscience dataset and the Qld Globe, along the west side of Ravensbourne, until it merges out just north of the Paddy Behan Way where the named creek signs are.

Hope Creek portion on west side of Ravensbourne in red

Ravensbourne Creek in red

Full extent of Hope Creek in red

@nevw @TheSwavu
As mentioned I have just done another Mapillary pass over Hope and Ravensbourne Creeks. Did it in both directions with front, side and 3/4 rear views. This is the first sign crossing;

There have been no sign changes since the 2001 capture.

Thanks bob3bob3,
I sent a couple of emails, including to the custodian, but did not receive any useful info to help sort this out. In view of the signs being still in place, I will leave the osm map as is unless I unless I receive differing info in the future.
Cheers, Nev