Usage of Imgur hosted images

Currently there are almost 50,000 links to images on Imgur in the OSM database. I wonder how these images are useful for OSM data consumers.

The main issue here seems to be in the terms of Imgur hosting:

You may not use UGC [user generated content] for non-journalistic commercial purposes.

This sounds like many of our data users are not allowed to use these images at all.

The MapComplete app provides an interface to upload images to Imgur and has a stated intent to copy images, which seems to be prohibited:

The idea is that once in a while, the images are transferred to wikipedia

@Pieter_Vander_Vennet

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that requires permission from copyright owners (so at least person who took the photo) and info what is depicted on the image.

so it is effectively impossible to do, especially for images taken by others

If someone wants to make such photos usable they should upload it to Wikimedia Commons (and link with wikimedia_commons).

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Can you document that process in words that an imgur user would be able to follow, including account creation etc.? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons exists, but is mostly just wibble about what it is and how to consume data from it, not how to add things to it.

tried adding something at Wikimedia Commons - OpenStreetMap Wiki

See edit at Wikimedia Commons: Difference between revisions - OpenStreetMap Wiki

Feel free to improve it

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I upload to Imgur (via MapComplete) because it’s the only mobile-friendly way I’ve found of adding images to OSM.

If anyone knows of a good alternative I’d gladly switch! (not a fan of Imgur’s increasingly-obnoxious adverts :confused:)

Note: the Wikipedia Commons app is not available on iOS, and even if it were, assume it’d be a fiddly multi-step process to upload an image & link it to an OSM element? If so, it doesn’t sound practical for on-the-go mobile editing.

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Hi all, MapComplete dev here

I had another look to the IMGUR terms of service

Also, don’t use Imgur to host image libraries you link to from elsewhere, content for your website, advertising, avatars, or anything else that turns us into your content delivery network.

Woopsie


Well, as of now, it still works in a stable manner and taking backups still works. The total backup size is about 30GB. I hope IMGUR doesn’t notice us before we made the switch to panoramax :stuck_out_tongue:

@arctic-rocinante I’m deliberately not informing users about what service the images are uploaded to, because that also gives the liberty to change this without much decorum. So it might suddenly switch to e.g. Panoramax, in which case I’ll also reupload all images to an instance and relink all of them. (Many of my users don’t care about these details or don’t even understand them. I’m striving to do the right thing, but I’m pragmatic too and don’t have infinite time and energy)

Uploading to Wikimedia is not an option. They don’t want hundreds of pictures of boring things, such as shops or bicycle parkings. Pictures for Wikimedia must have “encyclopedic quality” (which many MapComplete pictures don’t have) and must depict “something noteworthy” (which many objects don’t have). See Upload pictures to Panoramax instead of Imgur · Issue #1451 · pietervdvn/MapComplete · GitHub

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Thanks.

How does it address the issue mentioned later,

?

[citation needed]

Why you think this? On what you base this idea?

Category:Bicycle parking by country - Wikimedia Commons and Category:Shops - Wikimedia Commons are filled with such in-scope photos

When I asked Wikimedia Commons community about this I got answer

scope is very broadly defined. Reasonable quality photos of public places are generally considered to be in scope. So, please go ahead and upload those photos

when asking whether I can upload photo of regular bicycle parking. This is documented at Wikimedia Commons - OpenStreetMap Wiki

Photos like

and

are fine and in scope.

bicycle parking, traffic sign, tree, shop interior are all good enough

(though mapcomplete mass uploading to Wikimedia Commons likely would not be liked, but for different reasons)

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it was addressed since 8 June 2020

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I can sort of see where @Pieter_Vander_Vennet is coming from. If you’re just taking photos for MapComplete, you may not be paying attention to angle, focus, lighting, composition – all the stuff that makes a half-decent photo. All that matters is whether the photo contains a glimpse of the information you intend to map. It’s one of the reasons that, even though the Mapillary image license is compatible with Wikimedia Commons, Commons only has convenient tools for slurping up a Flickr user’s entire photo stream, but there’s no similar “mass takeout” feature for Mapillary.

Some users do bulk-upload their dashcam footage to Commons, resulting in large categories of mundane objects such as the road sign gantries of Maryland. Someday I’ll get around to uploading the rest of my personal hobby horse, sidewalk markers in San Jose, California. Commons has absolutely no problem with this kind of photography, but I suspect they would if absolutely no curation went into it.

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Even if all individual bicycle parkings, traffic signs, trees, and shop interiors etc. of an entire city/province/country are uploaded?

I think so. Assuming that images are described, geolocated and of decent quality.

Series of blurry images labeled “tree” would not be liked. Someone uploading thousands of categorized, labeled and described images of all trees in a given city should be fine.

If you have any indicator that it would be not welcome - please let me know! But I have seen people uploading various images series on large scale with no such reaction.

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I agree that MapComplete images may have problems as far as Wikimedia Commons upload goes.

Though it would be result of such lacking quality or copyright issues, not due to taking pictures of mundane objects.

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Is that good enough for you, @Pieter_Vander_Vennet ?

Though requiring users to properly locate and describe images, set categories may be still blocker!

The same for minimum quality.

(I commented here not because I think that MapComplete and Commons are ideal fit but because I have not wanted people to avoid uploading “mundane” images there. Recently I was using Wikimedia Commons and wished for wider variety of shop interior photos, some time ago I wished for more images of various barriers and road surfaces)

That’s me knackered then - something like this is useful to me because it has some into about the sign (the colour of one of the route markers indicates what route it is), but I suspect that a third-party site would object because it’s a terrible picture. For now I’m just keeping image size down, storing my own pictures somewhere I control and linking to that.

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In my opinion, it’s better to move image from Imgur to Mapillary (or Panoramax – if an instance exist for the country)

This issue is now moot, at least as far as new images being added to Imgur is concerned: Mapcomplete has been blocked by Imgur it would appear.

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Indeed, MapComplete can no longer upload images to IMGUR, so we quickly integrated Panoramax and upload to a custom instance.

I hope IMGUR doesn’t notice us before we made the switch to panoramax :stuck_out_tongue:

These turned out to be “famous last words” - about a week later we got blocked.

However, the issue still remains that some pictures are still on IMGUR. I propose to do a mass upload and to do a mechanical edit to update all tags at once

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I’d like to understand this a bit better. Is “panoramax.xyz” specifically for MapComplete and independent of location?