Suggested practice space and observation period for beginners to OSM

I couldnโ€™t find it through a search to see if my suggestion below had already been suggested.
If it has already been suggested, please let me know and I will refer to it and delete this post.

I wish there was such a feature for OSM beginners.

  1. It would be nice to have a practice space.
    I was a little confused when I first started, but there are quite a few cases where people who are just starting out unintentionally edit wrongly or in the wrong way.
    (It is not easy to distinguish this from vandal, and I think it is dangerous to dismiss it as vandalism in order to treat beginners kindly.)
    Especially in my case, it was difficult to find easy-to-understand help due to language limitations (non-English speakers).
    So, I think it would be nice to have a separate virtual space similar to the OSM map so that beginners can practice editing enough.

  2. It would be good to have a watch period for beginners.
    I would like it to be marked separately for first-timersโ€™ edits so that existing mappers can keep an eye on it.
    For example, there seems to be a way to put a separate โ€˜watchโ€™ mark for edits up to the 20th after the first introduction.

There may be things like cost and operational difficulties, and there will be problems that you didnโ€™t even think about.
Weโ€™d love to hear from you.
Thank you.


OSM ์ž…๋ฌธ์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•˜์—ฌ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉด ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

  1. ์—ฐ์Šต ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
    ์ €๋„ ์ฒ˜์Œ์— ์ž…๋ฌธํ•  ๋•Œ ์ข€ ํ—ท๊ฐˆ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์ฒ˜์Œ ์ž…๋ฌธํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์˜๋„์น˜ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ์ž˜๋ชป ํŽธ์ง‘ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์—‰๋šฑํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํŽธ์ง‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๊ฝค ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
    (์ด๊ฒŒ vandal๊ณผ ๊ตฌ๋ถ„ํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์‰ฝ์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ž…๋ฌธ์ž์—๊ฒŒ ์นœ์ ˆํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋ผ๋„ ํ•จ๋ถ€๋กœ vandalism์œผ๋กœ ์น˜๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์œ„ํ—˜ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.)
    ํŠนํžˆ ์ œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—๋Š” ์–ธ์–ด์˜ ํ•œ๊ณ„ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋„์›€๋ง์„ ์ฐพ๊ธฐ๋„ ์‰ฝ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.(๋น„์˜์–ด๊ถŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž)
    ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ OSM๊ณผ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ƒ์˜ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ๋”ฐ๋กœ ๋‘์–ด์„œ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ํŽธ์ง‘ํ•ด ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์—ฐ์Šต ๊ณต๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

  2. ์ž…๋ฌธ์ž์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ฃผ์‹œ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ„์„ ๋‘๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
    ์ฒซ ์ž…๋ฌธ์ž์˜ ํŽธ์ง‘์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋”ฐ๋กœ ํ‘œ์‹œ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋„๋ก ํ•ด์„œ ๊ธฐ์กด ๋งตํผ๋“ค์ด ์ฃผ์‹œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ–ˆ์œผ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
    ๋ณด๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ฒซ ์ž…๋ฌธ ํ›„ 20๋ฒˆ์งธ ๊นŒ์ง€์˜ ํŽธ์ง‘์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋”ฐ๋กœ โ€˜์ฃผ์‹œโ€™ ํ‘œ์‹œ๊ฐ€ ๋ถ™๋„๋ก ํ•œ๋‹ค๋˜์ง€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋น„์šฉ๊ณผ ์šด์˜์˜ ์–ด๋ ค์›€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์žˆ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋„ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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I believe it is possible to edit OSM here: https://master.apis.dev.openstreetmap.org/ without impacting the map. But maybe wait for someone else to confirm before trying, as I am not sure.

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It wonโ€™t let login with my normal credentials for some reason. Do you know if it requires a separate account from the personโ€™s main one or something?

I do not know; I havenโ€™t actually tried doing it yet.

You need create a distinct account for the testing website.

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In the Netherlands we run a welcome program in which we send every new mapper an e-mail with editing tips and pointers to various wikiโ€™s to put them on the right track.
I think such a program should be run on a country-basis which makes it possible to give the best help to new mappers.

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Thank you for your words.
Fundamentally, I can agree.
However, in order to operate to such a degree, there must be many existing active mappers, and there will be many ways to get help even if it is not that way.
But in areas with fewer active mappers, there is little way to get help but official documents.
And mapping is not based on nationality either.

Right, you can do some limited mapping on the development instance. Iโ€™d recommend to create a new user with a different name, as to avoid accidential changes to the main osm.org map. I use โ€œmmd2โ€ instead of โ€œmmdโ€ on the dev instance, as an example.

Now, there are a few restrictions you should be aware of:

  • Map shows data from osm.org, rather than the dev instance itself
  • Same restriction applies to:
    • the search
    • routing
    • the query tool ("?" question mark tool)
  • (Maybe not super relevant for mapping, but currently there are no diff files or planet files available for your edits)

What works:

  • Uploading changes to the master dev database
  • Notes: creating new notes, adding comments, closing them
  • Adding changeset comments, subscribing to changesets
  • Map data overlay
  • In general, all API 0.6 endpoints
  • Blog posts

I recommend using iD, as itโ€™s the easiest option to play around with.

For JOSM, you need to change API endpoints. If you really want to try this out, maybe start with Basic Authentication. For OAuth, you would need to change a number of other settings, which is quite cumbersome to set up.

Several mobile apps also allow you to play around on the dev instance. Assuming you have created a dedicated user beforehand, you can also try them out without impacting the main database.

I turned this post into a Wiki, so that everyone can edit it, if things are missing/wrong.

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It probably needs spelling out that this implies that any edits will not change the background map, routing or search displayed on the dev instance of the website. As a result of the missing feedback it is doubtful if it is really of much help to contributors wanting to practice, contrary to developers wanting to test software (which is really intended for).

Over the years it has been proposed many times to create and run an actual sandbox site with map rendering etc, however there has never been anybody willing to do the work.

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I donโ€™t think thatโ€™s entirely true - Iโ€™m aware of at least one person whoโ€™s said theyโ€™d be interested in doing it. When they said that I tried to put them in touch with a previous offer of support for a โ€œpractice spaceโ€.

I can easily suggest that they offer again, but who should they contact?

IIRC Frederik was the one looking for volunteers.