What seems a bit weird is that HGV may drive 90 km/h outside built-up areas (in Wallonia and Brussels) as long as their weight is below 7.5t and then suddenly above 7.5t, only 60 km/h. … while buses may only go 75 km/h independent on the weight.
Did I miss something?
Yes, it was I who started that discussion. There is now the coach=* access tag (and thus maxspeed:coach=*)
In the link you pasted, there is the following passage: Toutefois, la vitesse des véhicules et trains de véhicules dont la masse maximale autorisée est supérieure à 3,5 tonnes, des autobus et des autocars y est limitée à 90 km à l’heure.
Doesn’t trains de véhicules include vehicles with trailers?
probably, but since you need a special driver license to drive a combination with MTM higher than 3.5t, I guess most car + caravan are below that. A car + small trailer (typically under 750kg) can also do 120.
AFAIK, this is also true for France.
Unlike in Germany where caravans(or with any trailer behind your car) can only do 80 unless car+caravan gets a special inspection. Then they can do 100.
Most likely a large van + trailer is above 3.5t MTM and can only do 90.
If you are old enough (from 1967 or older), you can get a free BE driver license which allows you to drive car/van + caravan (maybe trailer) whose combined MTM is above 3.5t. If you are younger, you need to pass a special exam.
Okay, I control-effed my way through 21 years of amendments to the code of law, searching for modifications of Article 11.
Indeed, there were three modifications throughout the time:
1997: increased max speed for motorcycles of class B by 5 km/h to 45 km/h
2007: lower speed limits now apply for lorries above 3.5t instead of above 7.5t
2018: coaches with seatbelts for all passengers may go up to 100 km/h
.oO(Sheesh, how long will it take legislators to use version control systems instead of an endless stream of paper documents with each lengthy “I, the king Albert decree that…” boilerplate and long-winded explanations what sentences in what articles have exactly been changed)
Anyway, after finding this out, I realised that these changes have already been incorporated in the Article 11 document, so yeah, I confirmed that the linked source has the most current information.
Also, giving it a second look, the 100 km/h limit for coaches on motorways and other dual carriageways is already in the table on the Default speed limits page. Sooo, this was all pretty much a waste of time.
Coming back to the topic,
we still need a source for the claim that cars+trailers may go 120 on the motorway. The law text is
Since I do not understand French and must rely on Google Translate, I was asking how trains de véhicules would be translated. And, does it include trailers, or not? (Google Translate just gives me “Vehicle trains”, whatever that is supposed to be)
The wegcode / code de la route site keeps what we call a ‘consolidated version’ of the text, so with all the proper edits to give the current state.
In an attempt to aid you, I’ll go from the dutch version to english:
The ‘train de vehicules’ in dutch becomes ‘slepen’ and I peeked at the definitions given in the first chapters:
Which (and I’ll try and do this literally):
“each group of vehicules linked to eachother, with the aim of moving them through the same force”
So basically a vehicule + whatever it can push/pull/move (let’s assume the majority is ‘pulling’).
So the translation should equal to:
Or in short: the 100 km/h option for busses/motorcars only applies when the seats have seatbelts, speed limiter to 100 km/h, and it’s marked as a speedway, not just a 2x2 with a fysical seperation between both driving directions.