I have a suspicion that the current OSM rules are based on a certain country. Here’s why. I’m a Korean user, so I’ll talk based on the Korean system
BRT in foreign countries has roads classified separately. However, due to limitations in technology and systems, the road styles of each country are very different.
While editing the Korean roads, I was pointed out about the BRT part. The Korean management didn’t even talk about this issue in overseas forums
Rules are very important, but if they are causing harm, shouldn’t they be revised? I think that just like the European bus standards and other countries’ bus standards are different, we should apply the rules that are appropriate for that country.
I wrote this article because I was frustrated. The osm operators should think deeply about it. Each country’s road system is different, so if you apply it as a single rule, who will edit the roads?
Moreover, Wikipedia has slightly different rules for each country, so I think OSM also needs to modify the map to fit the standards of each country.
I hate to even write comments like this, but if the OSM rules are colluding behind closed doors and ignoring the voices of the OSM community in countries that don’t pay sponsorship, then I know you want something to happen to the map of South Korea.
What I want is permission to make road rules according to each country’s standards. It’s not like Korea is the only exception. If it’s based on British standards or the standards of the countries that provide the funding, then this is no different from dictatorship.
Instead of making paranoid claims like this, perhaps you could provide some examples of where road tagging in Korea doesn’t work due to a perceived eurocentric bias?
BRT has been introduced in Korea, but there are areas where it is not a separate road like in European countries. The rule of OSM is that in order to create a separate road in the mapping of roads, there must be separate lanes, but that is not the case. And when looking at the roads in Korea, there is a problem with the rule that two-way roads are connected to one-way roads.
well, yes - OSM started in UK and some tag design is clearly UK-inspired.
Including some deeply unfortunate and confusing tags such as highway=unclassified
Also, Asia-specific or Korea-specific features often have no established tagging schema, mostly because noone spend time on discussing/inventing something. Sometimes UK-specific, Europe-specific or Poland-specific features have similar problem, but often tagging was invented for them and people spend effort on that already.
Korea is operating BRT efficiently by installing it on existing roads. Since it is not a system with separate roads like other countries, I think that exceptions should be allowed.
so in Korea BRT is done by having bus lanes? Rather than separated roads or bus guideways?
We have tagging for dedicated bus lanes, and marking them as bus lanes would be useful.
Are these bus lanes separated only with paint from the rest of the road and you want to map them as separate lines (highway=busway I guess)? In such case it would be marking nonexisting carriageways, and it should not be done with bus lanes in Korea or elsewhere.
None of the Korean management has ever talked about this on the osm overseas forum. They are stupid management who are bound by the existing rules.
When it comes to road rules, each country should apply its own system. If Korea, Japan, and the US map their roads based on European standards, would they be like second British colonies?
insulting people is best avoided in nearly all cases
No.
Being colony involves quite different things.
what specifically you propose? Because completely divergent systems are a terrible idea.
(also, you claimed earlier things about bribery - if that is not intentional due to language barrier then please edit you post, if you intended to claim this then some detail would be helpful)
It is blurry picture where you see nearly nothing.
Are these bus lanes separated only with paint from the rest of the road and you want to map them as separate lines (highway=busway I guess)? In such case it would be marking nonexisting carriageways, and it should not be done with bus lanes in Korea or elsewhere.
There’s no problem in using bus:lanes= for center-running bus lanes with “BRT” branded services. “BRT” has many different definitions in the first place.
See previous related question I have a question regarding the rules for applying Korea's BRT to OSM
Another similar layout is bus lanes on the main roadway with frontage lanes outside. There won’t use =busway either.
Alternatively. if you want a simple method, please consider supporting the future of busway=Documenting the issues and history of the key busway=*
To explain further, Korea’s BRT has a bus route that goes out to the next lane, and it was manufactured based on that standard. And since there is no other lane on the road, it is claimed to be a violation of the rules, but this needs to be clearly established.
