Can someone please revert this changeset or at least the two relations in it. The routes still exist. The person who did the changeset did not react to a request from someone else.
Rather than jumping into a ârevert / unrevertâ loop, Iâd try and have a conversation about what it is, is it verifiable, etc.
The comments on the deletion changeset say âplease donât delete it because it is given as an examle of a type=superroute relations in the OSM wikiâ which doesnât seem like a good reason not to delete (the wiki should just pick another example).
The website seems to be this. I could create a similar route tomorrow based on existing national routes and claim that that too âexistsâ, but Iâm sure that other OSMers would claim that itâs not verifiable. Whatâs different about this one?
An adjoining part in France is here. The last status in Belgium was disused.. Perhaps, if it can be verified, the top-level relation should be reinstated with a gap for Belgium?
The comment did not say that. The comment described the specific part of the changeset it refers to, and asked
Could you elaborate on the reasons for deleting this relation?
No response was given by a very active account.
With respect - it did say exactly that. I copied and pasted directly from your second comment.
Indeed, and although they havenât replied to your comments they have to almost all others. Thatâs why I suggested you might want to explain in more detail about this relation.
With equal respect, the comments do not say âplease donât delete it becauseâ
The first paragraph is all about facts:
- The changeset deleted relation 1626371
- This relation is referenced in the wiki
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I believe the persons who edit OSM data should have the primary responsibility to explain their actions. In my opinion, this is especially true when deleting mapping efforts done by others.
Note: I have not edited this relation and I do not have any personal attachment of any kind to it.
True - the first part wasnât supposed to suggest a quote, whereas the second part was a direct quote.
Looking at the Belgian relation here we can click through to changesets and comments etc. The changeset that moved the operator etc. to âdisusedâ is here. The comment there says:
Euroroute R1 - part Belgium - according to the regional tourism service (Westtoer) this route is not âofficialâ. There is NOTHING on the ground marked of this route.
Based on that, I suspect that the deletion of the Belgian relation a couple of versions later might be justified.
Moving on to the super-route, that was created back in 2011 as part of a âroute tidy-upâ to create super-route relations for a number of cross-country routes. We know that people in Belgium donât think it exists there, so the next question is does it appear anywhere else?
It certainly doesnât exist in the UK other than a list of other (mostly signed) local relations, so in that sense itâs no different to most other international routes in the UK. In the UK weâve tended to âuphold the fictionâ in order that people can âfollowâ routes such as EV12 here, even though signage of these by name in the UK is negligible. However, if the R1 doesnât appear anywhere other than on a website, it probably doesnât belong in OSM at all.
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If you agree that âplease donât delete it becauseâ was not part of the original comment, then youâve also not read me claiming that the inclusion in the wiki is âa good reason not to deleteâ.
As for the lengthy explanation about the relation, I would rather have the editors that made the deletion clarify their reasons to the community.
Theyâve done that for the Belgian part. I suspect that the deletion of the super-route was either (a) an accident or (b) deliberate, because the whole route only exists as a website. I donât know which; youâve asked, but the deleter didnât answer.
@nurdafur above you said the routes still exist. Where do they still exist?
Iâve also asked on the other changeset.
The route exists in Germany. I followed it from Potsdam nearly to the border of the Netherlands. So far I did not manage to go to other countries to look for it.
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I believe EuroVelo signage is actually being installed in the UK at a moderate rate now. Sustrans has a new design of sign saying âFor [EV12] follow [1]â which is going in every few miles in some areas. Iâve not seen any in the flesh but the photos keep cropping up in the NCN Facebook group, and hereâs some on SABRE.
On the original R1 issue, apparently itâs signposted in Germany, Poland and Estonia.
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⌠including Lincolnshire! I give the âEuroâ signs a few months at best in some places there 
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Iâve reinstated the R1 superroute, without the deleted Belgian bit.