PTNA i àrees de transport (network:guid)

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Per tal de poder fer ús de l’anàlisi de PTNA fet per @ToniE caldria afegir les etiquetes network:guid a les rutes de transport.
Es tracta d’una categorització (fent ús d’identificadors) de les diferents àrees/zones de transport. Per exemple Metro de Barcelona, Bus Urbà, etc.
Obro aquest fil per tal de definir els id i fer seguiment de la seva implementació.

Proposta de networks (a modificar) i exemples d’etiquetes de detall:

Integrats en ATM:

  • ATM Barcelona / ES-CT-ATMB
  • ATM Lleida / ES-CT-ATML
  • ATM Girona / ES-CT-ATMG
  • ATM Camp de Tarragona / ES-CT-ATMT

No integrats dins d’un ATM encara, el network segueix la vegueria on s’ubica:

  • Girona / ES-CT-VG
  • Alt Pirineu i Aran / ES-CT-VP
  • Terres de l’Ebre / ES-CT-VE

Vinculats al servei d’aeroport i no integrats:

  • Aeroport de Barcelona / ES-CT-AB
  • Aeroport de Girona / ES-CT-AG
  • Aeroport de Reus / ES-CT-AR

Destinats a una activitat turística i no integrats (per exemple: Tren dels Llacs o Bus Turístic):

  • Turisme de Barcelona / ES-CT-TB
  • Turisme de Girona / ES-CT-TG
  • Turisme de Tarragona / ES-CT-TT

** Els trens que sobrepassin els ‘network’ mencionats poden ser ES-CT (no surten de Catalunya) o ES i el que escaigui si són de caire nacionals. Tot i així, la prioritat seria començar pels que coneixem de l’entorn més immediat.

exemple d’una route_master: Relation: ‪L1: Cases Pairals‬ (‪16896268‬) | OpenStreetMap

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Hi, PTNA does not use this tag.

‘network’ values are used instead.

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So we add both? Networks values used to be very long and with special characters (accents,etc).

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Values in OSM can be 255 characters long and are UTF-8.
So: Spanish, Catalan, Chinese, Japanese, Arabic, … are no problem.

See the so-called PTv2 approved proposal https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Public_Transport&oldid=625726

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So what do you need for the analysis? List of networks categorised?

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Yes, and for each: in which area can I find their route relations.

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Parlant, crec que podríem començar amb la divisió per ATM (sempre que existeixin o en absència vegueries).

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Oops? “ATM” is translated by microsoft to “automated teller machine”, where i can get money. What are “vegueries”? This is not translated at all.

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ATM
https://www.atm.cat/en/atm

Vegueries

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ATM - Metropolitan Transport Authority
Vegueria - zonification in Catalonia, like province and used to administrate things like education, health, etc.

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Hi, I just added

  • ES-CT-ATMB for the ATM Barcelona

PTNA filters “network” for

  • Autoritat del Transport Metropolità de l’Àrea de Barcelona
  • ATM Barcelona
  • empty ‘network’ values

I can add an option which suggest using network=“Autoritat del Transport Metropolità de l’Àrea de Barcelona” if network=“ATM Barcelona” is found. ‘network:short’ is not checked at all though.

I’ve added an OSM wiki page, where you can change the output of the result a little bit and - more important - tell PTNA which ‘ref’ values are expected.

I’ll work on the others during the rest of the week: feedback, questions are welcome!

Current setting of the analysis options cc

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Thank you so much @ToniE
Checking this analysis, I have seen a lot of things to correct and be checked by our community.
The network tag was not homogenusly used that’s why in some causes routes used ATM or similiar and other cases not.
ATM Barcelona changed in the analysis will not be needed as routes need to be checked and edited.

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He ampliat el llistat de networks a tenir en compte. He afegit destinats a ús turístic i aeroport. Amb això en principi hauria d’estar cobert el 99% dels serveis dins de Catalunya.
Entenc que altres serveis com transports col·lectius d’empreses o escoles queden fora d’aquest apartat de transport públic.

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Hi, I was a bit distracted from adding more ES-CT-* analysis config. Hope I can more work on that this week.

Distracted by: thinking about how to compare GTFS routes/trips with OSM route_master/route relations to find out which OSM-route corresponds best to which GTFS-trip. I’ll start a community discussion on that soon “PTNA: compage GTFS with OSM routes …” or so. I need to prepare some charts, … first.

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No worries @ToniE we just started to begin fixing network tags on the routes.
I translated Busy Hours, Unroll and PTNA.

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@ToniE i see that table 2.4 does not have the fields from/to but the tables 3.1 and 3.2 yes. How can I add it to the 2.4 table? Changing manually the input on Ca:Catalunya/Transport públic/PTNA/Rutes de ATM Barcelona - OpenStreetMap Wiki ?

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Currently, no way to have that.

Layout of tables is fix.
Section 2.x are the positive ones from the csv list, where PTNA shows the data in a condensed form.
Section 3.x are the unexpected ones which need further investigation and editing by mappers, so: it shows more information.
Ideally, section 3 “Other public transport lines” is empty.

I could add an analysis option --table-show-also=from,via,to so that this is configurable. Code changes shouldn’t be a big deal.

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@Carlos_Sánchez … done, should be visible tomorrow.

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El sistema tarifari integrat de Lleida s’amplia amb les zones 3 i 4 al Solsonès, a l’Alt Urgell, l’Alta Ribagorça, els Pallars Jussà i Sobirà, l’Aran i la Cerdanya