I’d like to align rules for place hierarchy in Israel.
Should we always use same kind of place for top-level city division or should we infer kind from the official name?
e.g.:
שיכון עובדים - neighbourhood?
רובע הדר - quarter?
Currently we have a plenty of each:
place=borough
place=quarter
place=suburb
place=neighbourhood
Let’s align and document in Israel Wiki:Places section
I’ve been thinking of normalizing mtb:scale (which indicates cycling difficulty on a scale of 0 to 6), across Israel, and I’ve realized it’s very subjective, and that what really matters is that the relative scale makes sense locally. For example, in a particular bicycle park, tracks with 4 are definitely harder than tracks with 3.
I’m thinking aloud here, but I wonder if it’s the same reasoning for neighborhoods? Is it important or even possible to nationally normalize a hierarchy which is subjective?
בעיריית תל אביב יש חלוקה לשכונות, רובעים ותת רובעים:
הוויקי של suburb אומר:
For areas within a suburb, the tag
place=neighbourhoodwill usually be used. If necessary,place=quartermay be used for an area of a large settlement which is smaller than a suburb and larger than a neighbourhood
ולכן נראה לי:
שכונה = neighbourhood
תת-רובע = quarter
רובע = suburb
אז משתמשים בהגדרה של העירייה?
ברעננה, לדוגמה, יש שכבת שכונות
בחולון - לא מצאתי בכלל
בבת ים יש גם רובע וגם שכונות
האם לקיחת הגדרה מ-GIS של עירייה זה חוקי? לא חושב שיש לזה מקור בטוח אחר.
This exact definition made me think that neighbourhood can’t be defined without parent suburb. Hence, I was sure that suburb is the right term for common city division unit.
A suburb does not always exist. The OSM definition explicitly allows a neighborhood also directly under a city.
osm.wiki/Tag:place=neighbourhood
A neighbourhood is a smaller named, geographically localised place within a suburb of a larger city or within a town or village.
התרגום הפשוט מאנגלית לעברית תופס גם לפי ההגדרות
שכונה = neighbourhood
רובע = quarter
פרבר = suburb
מושג הפרבר פחות שימושי בישראל.
אפשר להסתכל על העיר רמת השרון כפרבר של תל אביב או על ראשון, רחובות נס ציונה יחד כפרבר. אבל בישראל לא משתמשים בזה ממש.
So, we’ll also need to fix the Administrative boundaries section in wiki:
Level 9 should be changed to either suburb or quarter? Or should we insert a new admin_level between current 9 and 10?
Currently borough is only used for Jaffa, while admin_level=9 (overpass) is used in Haifa and few small settlements.
