You are now mentioned. Did this result in an email or notification on the forum (top right)?
Yes I did get a notification. The topic was set to Normal for me even though the category is set to Muted. Maybe that is because of the mentionâŚ
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Aber wenn man direkt erwähnt wird ist das durchaus in Ordnung. Und wenn man es doch nicht interessant findet, kann man es ja bestimmt wieder auf mute setzen.
Nice, thanks for trying.
So it seems that a âglobalâ mute of the sub-categories for a local community would not harm that much.
Singular posts still can have differing notification levels and a mention will automatically enable it.
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Another interesting test would be, if notifications are triggered for posts with a certain tagging, even though theyâre from a hidden subcategory. Maybe try a post on the Thailand subcat with the tag âoverpassâ. Iâm watching that tag and can report back.
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So with this second mention from @stephankn in the Thailand category, I did not get a notification. So it seems that mentioning someone does not set the topic back to normal for them if they have it muted.
Itâs a little confusing because muting a category and muting a thread donât seem to behave quite the same way. I have the Deutschland category muted, but the topics created in that category are still set to Normal by default:
When I visit the category I can see all the topics:
However, these topics donât show up when I look at the all categories > Latest section.
In the Thailand category, I Muted each topic individually as well as the category itself. Now not only do these topics not show up in all categories > Latest, but they donât even show up when I look at the Thailand category itself:
Thailand category when logged out for comparison:
So muting a topic seems to be the most aggressive action. A muted topic will be almost entirely hidden from you, though it is possible view the topic with a direct link. You get no notifications even from mentions or replies.
On the other hand, muting a category seems much less aggressive. I had originally thought that topics in a muted category would be created in a muted state as well, but that doesnât appear to be the case. Since the topics are created as Normal even in a Muted category, you get notifications when mentioned or replied to, unless you specifically mute the topic. The category level mute appears to just hide the topics within from all categories > Latest, New, and Unread and never sends notifications about new topics from that category.
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Just for reference. There is no obvious link on the GUI to display again the muted topics on a category to unmute them.
As @ezekielf probably has noticed, the default action in a category is to show âlatestâ posts. Also indicated by a big red button. As muted things do not show up in âlatestâ, they are not visible there. Similar reason that the muted categories are not visible in the global âlatestâ section.
To view them again, I add this to the URL:
?state=muted
to view the muted topics, it would be:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/communities/th/53/l/latest?state=muted
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I did. Let us know the outcome. I will then later edit the playground topic again to clean up the tag.
Not quite logical, but under
- Preferences
- Notifications
- Categories
- Notifications
you can view muted topics:
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Thanks, it seems like it didnât work, as I didnât receive a notification.
I wonder whether I tagged it in the wrong way.
Is using the hash + keyword the right way to set a tag inside a post? Is it supported at all? Maybe it is not possible and only a way to link out to some tags?
I do not see the post listed on this view:
https://community.openstreetmap.org/tag/overpass
But it is visible as a clickable link to the above one in the post:
So it clearly does not behave the way I was expecting it to do. I assume it will only list full posts having a tag (adding a tag when creating a topic) and not having it on a post.
I can edit the topic itself to have a tag part of it. Probably it will then show up.
update: having a tag directly at the topic, it shows up on the overview. maybe now also visible for @mmd ?
It seems this didnât work.
Right, now that youâve added the tag at the topic level, I have received a notification.
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Is this any different to the old forum? The active topics there showed all country communities as well and as far as I know, you couldnât mute them unlike here.
Yes, youâre right, the list is very similar. I doubt that many users really use it in the old forum, as it would include post from all different subforums, and generally doesnât add a whole lot of value. I donât recall, that I ever used this feature.
I think, a typical user would go straight to a âUsers: âŚâ subforum, and see whatâs going on there.
Here on commuity, you have a list with categories, new entries, unread stuff that includes posts from every category. Maybe people are not yet familiar with the different ways to navigate to subcategories, and get lost somewhere along the way.
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I think due to the different UI and they way this is pushing users to use the functionality, the âlatestâ functionality on discourse is significantly higher on focus than the similar functionality in the old forum.
I click here on the menu link and the âlatestâ item is already selected. This brings it much more intop user focus.
The forum had it hidden between dozens of other links on the screen. So it was not such a prominent link to click on:
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Note that this is a list of muted categories, not topics. Itâs a bit confusing.
So sounds like this is confirmation that if you are watching a tag youâll get notifications from topics with that tag even if they are in a category you have muted. Correct?
Hello everyone, as per discussed in the last Forums governance team meeting - 2022-10-06
- Wait for sidebar update, see if it helps users to track content in categories they are specifically interested in without resorting to muting a lot of categories
This request can be reopen for discussion if that is still insufficient.
Thanks!
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To offer a different perspective, I find that to be intuitive: categories as a whole can be noisy, so it makes sense to mute them, but you might want to still be able to discover content within them that is relevant to you, either by someone using a specific tag in a topic, by someone mentioning you directly, or even by tracking a topic manually or automatically (by responding in it). If I understand correctly from the responses above, this is already the case.
I suppose the use of the same term (âmuteâ) for actions that have different consequences can be confusing, but on the other hand it may help to look at this as the same type of action being applied to different types of content (categories vs. topics), each of which reacts to it in a way thatâs consistent with their nature.
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