Oh, you mean Way: White Diamond Access Road (679973414) | OpenStreetMap? Yeah, I need to verify things before modifying everything, though. I want to make sure boulders and trails are on the correct side of the cliff edges, etc. That trail runs below the cliff if I remember correctly. I guess there’s a way to offset satellite images so they line up with the LIDAR images?
Yes, 3DEP is in the public domain as a work of the federal government.
To be fair, every other data source available to us has the same theoretical sources of error. The advantage of 3DEP is that it comes with rigorous documentation about standards and tolerances. I’m no expert in this field, but quality levels QL0–2 compare favorably to even high-resolution aerial imagery. The area around Minnewaska State Park, in the original post, is QL2.
According to WESM, the Rattlesnake Mountain site is right on the edge of a QL2 project boundary. The lower-resolution data isn’t derived from LiDAR; it might be from satellite imagery or IfSAR.
Several areas of the Northeast haven’t been covered by LiDAR projects yet:
Oh definitely, I am not saying that LIDAR is bad - high quality LIDAR is often extremely valuable, showing paths under permanent tree cover via extreme detailed terrain shape still feels like magic to me.
But it should not be assumed to be always correct and always ideally aligned and always up to date. And yes, this applies to all data sources.
But how do we know which source to trust when they disagree? I can’t assume the 3DEP imagery is more accurate than the satellite?
USGS has a helpful instant chat and they sent me some links:
It is difficult to quantitatively test the horizontal accuracy of the lidar source data from which most of the 1-meter DEM is produced. Factors such as Global Positioning System (GPS) accuracy, Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) precision, flying height, and calibration control all affect positional accuracy (American Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing, 2015). Because these factors differ across collections, the horizontal accuracy of the overall 1-meter DEM is variable. In most cases, the horizontal accuracy is expected to be within 1 meter.
The horizontal accuracy varies by the horizontal accuracy of the source data. In most cases, the horizontal accuracy of seamless DEM coverage produced from 3DEP technologies is expected to be 1 meter or better (Gesch and others, 2014). DEMs created from lidar data and legacy topographic data are particular cases that require more explanation regarding their horizontal accuracy. Lidar Source Data
It is difficult to quantitatively predict the horizontal accuracy of the lidar source data from which much of the seamless DEM datasets are produced. Factors such as Global Positioning System (GPS) accuracy, Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) precision, flying height, and calibration control all affect positional accuracy (American Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing, 2015). Although accuracy can be measured (as compared to predicted) through field collection, such a program is not currently practical.
Again, depends on data sources. I am lucky to be from area where state-provided aerial imagery and LIDAR data has accuracy better than high-quality GPS.
But neither “LIDAR is always better aligned” nor “aerial imagery is always better aligned” will be always true. Though I would bet that LIDAR in general has better accuracy as whole point is getting extreme detail, so people making it will likely care more about calibration. While it is true for some aerial imagery but not all of it, some is quite coarse and not aligned with accuracy measured in centimeters.
I also prioritize mapping the top edge of the cliff. I do map multiple tiers if they are reasonably distinct, like if the ledge separating them is a wide enough ledge to have it’s own trail. E.g. OpenStreetMap