Please show us “a dark store which offers self-pickup.” THAT is the point being made: these are rare, not-findable or simply don’t exist. Tag it an outpost if it offers pickup, tag it a dark_store if it doesn’t.
AND, we (OSM) will likely (slowly?) migrate amenity=warehouse into outpost or dark_store as we learn / know more about these (amenity=warehouse is an early, fairly generic tag), so for a while, there will be multiple tagging styles. The wiki point to each other as a helpful service to facilitate this migration.
I would consider marking it as both shop=outpost and as dark store.
But maybe you can set delivery to any time/location at all? Including just in front of such warehouse? But also any other place in city? In such case it would not be special in any way.
It still feels like the community is experiencing a disconnect here, or maybe I am.
We decided that a dark_store is delivery=only, that is, “there is no pick-up at a dark_store.” Then, we have shop=outpost, where there IS pick-up. This is a crucial distinction, making these mutually exclusive.
What do we do if/as we discover that a dark_store allows pick-up? Or if a shop=outpost delivers? Each of those “breaks” the definition of “what these are,” so I suppose there could be exceptions, and we might accommodate these by adding pickup=yes and delivery=yes respectively. However, we do not have examples of these, only speculation that they might exist. Please provide examples, or it feels to me like we are needlessly complicating the discussion with “what about…?” when they don’t seem to exist, and make what we’ve categorized into “no longer correctly categorized.” Am I missing something?
Meanwhile, the existing couple-hundred nodes and polygons tagged amenity=warehouse can migrate into either dark_store or shop=outpost, as appropriate (as we learn more additionally, besides that they are simply “a warehouse”). Am I missing something?
@westnordost and I have exchanged some private messages which have prompted me to change the wiki somewhat. As he offered an example of a dark_store which DOES allow pickup (as rare or common as this is remains unknown), I added the following change to the dark_store wiki:
An implied tag with this key is delivery=only (delivery=yes): the goods are available by delivery only.
(This was always part of the wiki, the next is what was added):
However, there are some dark stores which do allow pick-up of a placed order, so for these exceptions, additionally tag the dark store with delivery=yes + pickup=yes.
In reality there’s a whole spectrum of places between “yes, regular shoppers are welcome” and “no, retail customers are not allowed on the premises”. Lots of “normal” B2C shops are encouraging a “Click and Collect” model (in the UK supermarkets, catalogue shops, electronics etc. have all gone this way).
Effectively, we’re arguing about semantics here - at what point does something become a “dark store”? I’d suggest that it’s the point when no retail customers at all are served on-premises and there’s a direct to customer delivery operation that isn’t just mail order.
An Argos wouldn’t count (both online and in-person purchases are supported), nor would a supermarket click and collect. Nor would something like this sports shop (initial online purchase is required, but in-person collection from the warehouse is allowed) or this online-only retailer (it’s not a dark store, just a mail order operation that presumably has a warehouse or two somewhere).
Andy, that (“no retail customers at all are served on-premises and there’s a direct to customer delivery operation that isn’t just mail order”) is, in my opinion, an outstanding chunk of text to add to our dark_store=* wiki. Would you like to add it, or shall I?