I don’t think OSM should acknowledge the [removed the facts because I care about people’s feelings and BF says it is rude to point out this set of facts] executive order of POTUS Trump who could improve his knowledge of hydrographic surveying and nautical charting, and the fascinating 500 years of precedent and the internationally sanctioned authority on Hydrography. This will make the map less useful, set a bad precedent, and has a good chance of getting OSM banned from at least Mexico [Dr. Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo has expressed strong rejection of this, her party could unilaterally pass this law]. The label should reflect what International Hydrographic Organization calls it because we are making a useful tool, that has been used as base for several nautical charts. Please don’t make me fork this, I’m actually using it. It would make it a crime punishable by jail time if I use any maps that seem to imply that the golf belongs to the USA. This is offensive to Nahuatl speakers, who the golf and country were named for. [BF says this could be controversial]
Hi, as I said in your other thread, please read through this whole thread before assuming OSM community motives or endorsement. If you had, you’d see @Minh_Nguyen quite well thought out responses, including this one directly addressing what you’re talking about: Gulf of America - Gulf of Mexico - #55 by Minh_Nguyen
Thanks for pointing me to the wiki "On the Ground Rule
Main article: On the ground
If the dispute can not be resolved through discussion, then the simple default rule is whatever name, designation, etc are used by the people on the ground at that location are used. The ‘Map what’s on the ground’ rule appears along with other guidelines on the Good practice page.
Naming
According to the “On the Ground Rule” whatever people are using on the ground at that location will win the non-localized tags. So in the case of North Cyprus, this would be the Turkish names. The specific rules are documented at Cyprus#Disputed place names.
In the case where there are multiple local names, then if the government with effective and sustained control of the area has an official source of names or an official stance on a naming dispute, then that name is default. For instance, Derry-Londonderry.
When there is no clear sustained control of an area, such as Kosovo, special consideration will be needed on a case by case basis. (Kosovo now has independent government, recognized by many other countries, so this is now less relevant.)
If there are two common versions of a place name, as a possible but not recommended way, the “name” tag could contain them both (A/B).
You may also wish to post to the discussion lists, and indicate that area is under dispute in the appropriate page in the wiki and add the Category:Disputed Names to that page." [removed because BF says it could negatively affect discussion] Policy seems clear, there is no good reason to change it.
The area is not under any kind of serious dispute. There are people that live there, there are English speaking non-Americans that live inside the Gulf of Mexico that is what they call it. It is undisputed and undisputable, that the supermajority of English speaking people in the world, and all the countries in the region called Mexico and have called it that for centuries. I genuinely want to know why this change was made.
Again, please read through this thread in its entirety since you are so passionate. If you had, you’d realize the current consensus is to not change the name tag and such is evident by the node itself: Node: Gulf of Mexico (305639190) | OpenStreetMap
Why did the node disappear/move from OSM website/ my geo software? Since this whole discussion has sparked so much etymological interest, can I add all the historical names I can find as old_name? Is there an area where historical maps can be added. Thanks for this chat genuinely, you gave me the idea to go to the huge collection of regional maps, at my local university, and ride a cool train. Good stuff, my NT boyfriend has pointed out that even implying “anyone who disagrees with me is a clown, and that they should be silenced” is not the proper way to handle this. I will edit my previous posts with his help in the sake of not offending people with differing [I removed a part here BF found controversial] feelings.
You can add old names to OSM proper but if you’re interested in the historical maps/names/buildings, consider using OpenHistoricalMap which is a charter project of OpenStreetMap US.
Based will do. There is a copy of a 1550s map I really want to study. Is the Golf of Mexico label supposed to be showing? My GIS stopped showing the label, I’m sorry if this is a bug on my side.
You’ll have to ask whoever does your rendering. That’s not an OSM limitation, on OSM the node exists: Node: Gulf of Mexico (305639190) | OpenStreetMap
Yeah, I actually found the culprit, one of my plugins updated, traced the code this was implemented downstream. I’m sorry for assuming the worst in the wrong people. Thanks for genuinely helpful, and inspiring to take a train to see old maps with a good friend. I’m sorry, I assumed you were some evildoer. Obviously, I needed to adopt a more, debug issue, read blame, fix issue, ensure it can’t be unfixed approach. If the body of water I found near my home is approved, I will upload the map data. Nearby, people call it “estanque del arrepentido” after a Spanish general trying to hold the area charged to the river without considering that he was charging into what used to be a fairly potent acid lake from a chemical reaction with mining runoff. Now ducks can live there and like only certain kinds of bread. Again, sorry for not finding out who did it and blaming OSM for something that they took the correct stance on.