German toponyms of Croatian cities

Communities Hrvatska (Croatia)
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Hello together.
I write in English cause unfortanetly I am not able to speak Croatian:

I noticed that a user has entered or retagged numerous old German names (old_name:de=*) of Croatian cities as name:de (e.g. Changeset: 146588467 | OpenStreetMap Changeset: 147155795 | OpenStreetMap Changeset: 146577408 | OpenStreetMap). These names are definitely no longer common and official in German (see also the Wikipedia page for the corresponding cities). The German OSM data looks like a map from 100 years ago and I think I can speak for all German speakers that we don’t want that either. I would like to revert this edits and would like to ask you if you are okay with this.

Kind regards,
RR

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Maybe that’s why the tag contains “old”. Whether that’s useful depends on how OSM is used: When navigating today, it may not be useful, but if you read some historical document, and you want to find out where that was, it might make sense.

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They are tagged as name:de not old_name:de=*

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I agree, if those names were old_name:de=* before, then I am for reverting. I don’t know why that user did that.

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But the second changeset seems ok to me: Changeset: 147155795 | OpenStreetMap

There are no strange names in that one.

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I have now tried to systematically check the user’s edits.
You are right, the regions should be correct. The German names tagged as name:de for the cities and rivers are outdated.

The user also edited the tags name:pl and name:hu, I don’t know if these names are correct, but according to wikipedia they seem to be outdated as well.

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Sorry, I mis-interpreted it.

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Is there some list? Or can you link specific chargeset (note that osmcha has login wall)

I can look at these once I am on computer

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Actually the English Wikipedia page says that the German name of Rijeka is “Sankt Veit am Flaum” (whereas the German page is quite clear this is a historical name only). So it might be a good idea to update that too.

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Fixed English Wikipedia, added “old”.

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You can log in with your OSM account. There is no extra account needed.

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This changeset also adds name:pl tags to cities. Changeset: 147155650 | OpenStreetMap
I think the regions are okay: Changeset: 147155795 | OpenStreetMap

Also some names in Czech were added here: Changeset: 146631412 | OpenStreetMap

Also alt_names:de and old_names:de tags for towns in Slovenia were changed to name:de, they are also outdated, but the matter is not entirely clear here, e.g. “Marburg an der Drau” is sometimes still used for Maribor: Changeset: 146613084 | OpenStreetMap

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seems not really correct - but I am not expert on this topic. For now I asked about sources in Changeset: 147155650 | OpenStreetMap and would recommend revert if no answer will appear soon (or even now, if other names are also dubious)

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Thank you very much for your answers.

I reverted the edits with these changesets:

I have also reviewed them and the German names seem to be OK now. However, I may have missed some towns cause he/she renamed quite a few :smile:.

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Are there any surviving name:pl added by them?

And thanks for cleanup!

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No all name:pl should be removed now, only some name:hu are still there cause I didn’t searched for them.

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