Does it make sense in the Netherlands to distinguish between **fietsstrook ** and fietsstrook met onderbroken streep in the tagging?
Or in other words, do cycle lanes with dashed lines only occur in small sections at for example intersections etc. to allow for motor vehicle traffic to pass through, or also on longer sections or whole roads?
That is what I mean⦠The red colored strip (fietsstrook ) connected with the highway (so not seperated from the highway) Most of the time there is an interrupted line. Motorcars may cross that line but donāt park the car.
On the surface there must be a bicycle on the road. (For the law it is a cycleway)
Sometimes the line is not interrupted ⦠It is not allowed to cross the line.
The tagging cycleway:right=lane is the same.
If there is no bicycle in the pavement we tag shared_lane.
I 'm typing on my mobile⦠maybe some other member can show a picture?
Ah ok, that image is from the Netherlands? Ok, then everything is clear. Then, it makes sense to distinguish fietsstrook and fietsstrook met onderbroken streep because the quality of the fietsstrook is better if it is not with an onderbroken streep.
Cycleway=shared_lane has no status. We call that fietssuggestiestrook. Itās painted on the pavement to suggest the road is smaller and the cars will slow down . There is no bicycle printed on the pavement. So the idea is the bicycle traffic will slow down the other traffic. Itās even dangereous for cyclists
Edit If there is a traffic island in the middle ā¦the cycleway lane often stops⦠the same idea. The cyclist will slow down the the traffic.
I sympathize with the idea to differentiate between solid and dashed lines on fietsstroken because itās a difference that is actually on the ground. Although, in my subjective experience as a cyclist, that line makes no difference to me. I donāt feel that solid-line stroken are any higher āqualityā than their dashed-line counterparts. Not in this country.
Fietssuggestiestroken are inferior (and Iāve corrected a fair many cycleway=lane to shared_lane).
How would we make the difference between solid line and dashed line? AFAIK that is not something the NL community has considered (I may be wrong on this). Cycleway:lane=* is certainly not in widespread use: 34 occurrences in NL according to taginfo. I donāt think StreetComplete should push its use in NL.
Whatās more: cycleway:lane=advisory is wrong on fietsstroken (nothing advisory about them, theyāre mandatory, solid or dashed) and redundant on fietssuggestiestroken (which are advisory by definition). IMHO, cycleway:lane=advisory makes no sense under Dutch law, it should not be used here.
How would we make the difference between solid and dashed, then? cycleway:lane=exclusive/mandatory? Should we bother?
The cycleway lane tagging is described in this wiki article https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway:lane , including the special cases for (so far) Belgium and Netherlands. StreetComplete tags cycleway:left:lane, cycleway:right:lane and cycleway:both:lane, not cycleway:lane and since 2018.
The dashed cycle lane may not be advisory in the Netherlands, but that is just the name of the category. Each country will have slightly different rules that apply to these categories.
Ik zie dat er in Nederland nu een aantal wegen met cycleway:lane=advisory voor een fietssuggestiestrook zijn getagged; maar dit is niet de conventie, toch?
Alleen omdat StreetComplete dit zo wilt implementeren, maakt het nog geen juist gebruik imho. Eens?
Groet,
Otto
Note that if there is NO cycling symbol on that red coloured strip motorcars MAY park on that strip, unless forbidden by other signs (e.g. āno parkingā). Only a red strip with interrupted line is a bicycle suggestion strip.
I thought that in case of cycleway=shared_lane there is no strip (whatever type and lining at all), bicycles share the lane with all other traffic, so a superfluous, default, tag.
I just updated NL:Cycleway adding pictures for cycleway=lane and cycleway=shared_lane, the difference is only if there is a cyclist sign or not.
cycleway=lane
cycleway-shared_lane
As cyclist this difference between cycleway=lane and a shared_lane does not matter too much, what counts but is almost never tagged funny enough, is the width.