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Diese Vorgehensweise möchte ich ausdrĂŒcklich unterstĂŒtzen.
In diesem Zusammenhang eine weitere Frage:
Ist es möglich, usern, die teils schon jahrelang im alten Forum aktiv sind und sich jetzt neu hier anmelden, gleich TL2 zu vergeben?
Zum Spam-Thema kann vielleicht @Tordanik etwas sagen. Generell mĂŒssen neue User erst freigeschaltet werden, bevor ihre Posts öffentlich sichtbar werden.
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=852434#p852434
BeitrĂ€ge lassen sich im alten Forum beliebig lange Ă€ndern, was mangels Historie fĂŒr andere nicht mehr gut nachvollziehbar ist.
On the old forum, we had indeed set up a requirement for new usersâ posts to be unlocked by a moderator after one particularly annoying spam wave a few years ago. The amount of spam decreased afterwards, but a spam post was still caught in that moderation system once a week or so. Most of that was âsmartâ spam, i.e. phrased such that it resembled a genuine post at first glance.
At the same time, this safety measure causes some confusion and frustration for new users. So I hope that something like this is no longer necessary on this new platform due to the better moderation tools of Discourse (including the ability for spam posts to be very quickly hidden by usersâ reports, not just by moderator intervention).
Would it be ok to increase the time limit of TL1 to, letâs say, one week?
I understand that TL2 is not that complex to reach, but for users who donât join/explore the forum that frequently, it would be hard for them to reach it. And also from TL0 to reach TL1 itâs pretty easy, but in the case of spammer that would be most likely caught before reaching it.
And itâs not certain that all users who will need to edit their posts will ask the mods to assist them with that. Iâm pretty sure there are quite some users out there who face such an issue, but instead of asking anywhere, they just get annoyed and donât proceed. And thereâs no indication in the UI that they have specific time limit in order to edit their posts.
Getting to TL1 can be automated by a bot easily, because it just requires spending a few minutes on the site reading, so difficult to catch.
- Entering at least 5 topics
- Reading at least 30 posts
- Spend a total of 10 minutes reading posts
Thatâs the reason TL2 is required by default. Also note that TL2 users can make their post wiki, so it can always be edited.
The assumption here is that if people is still TL1 and want to edit a message and they canât, they will ask. We have seen this already, people who really need to edit a message have asked for assistance.
How many TL1 users need to edit their message regularly right now? It seems this is not a wide need at the moment.
That explains a lot. Youâre an active member of the forum and even a category moderator, but you canât even create a wiki as a moderator for the subforum youâre moderating. Just because youâve only created four topics of your own so far.
This is something that we changed for these forums intentionally to allow TL2 to do this.
TL2 doesnât require you to create 5 topics:
- Visiting at least 15 days, not sequentially
- Casting at least 1 like
- Receiving at least 1 like
- Replying to at least 3 different topics
- Entering at least 20 topics
- Reading at least 100 posts
- Spend a total of 60 minutes reading posts
You have misunderstood me: I mean wiki post requires TL 3 an TL 3 requires 5 posts minimum.
When did you change the requirement for wiki posts from TL 3 to TL 2?
I have had TL2 for 28 days and I am also a category moderator. 14 days ago I opened a topic in the category that I moderate myself, but I couldnât make a wiki post out of it. I was annoyed by this and had to seek help.
Mammi
I canât remember when that was changed, but it was a result of people in need of making their post wiki AFAIK.
That sounds good to me but how do I make my post a wiki? I canât find any button or option allowing me to do that ⊠
Click the three dots, then the wrench symbol, which shows below the option the option âCreate Wikiâ
Thanks mate ⊠good onya ⊠
⊠usually I donât use these buttons for my own posts exept for making changes, so I have not even searched if some magic button is hidden there ⊠I gonna wear sackcloth and ashes for the rest of the day ⊠
@davidoskky, you overlooked this option? Or discarded? It seems quite useful in this case.
Who else can change the topic into wiki mode? not the original topic author?
When I opened the topic I was interested in editing I was TL1 and could not open a wiki.
Anyways a wiki is quite different from one single person taking care of the post.
Not necessarily bad, probably can work just as fine. As far as I understand it all users with TL1 can change the post, this shouldnât be a problem if everybody behaves correctly and people donât start fighting by editing the original post in order to incentivize one particular idea.
On the other hand you might very well have the same problem with one single author manipulating the information that is immediately shown to users opening the topic.
Overall, I feel this is a good solution. Reaching TL2 is not too difficult and things should work fine after this forum becomes more prominent in the community.
I now come back to this with another problem.
Today I started a vote on a proposal I started over a month ago, I wished to change the title of this topic to reflect that it is now about voting, as other people have done.
Since I opened the topic over a month ago, I cannot change the title from RFC to Voting.
Making the topic into a wiki is not a good solution for this.
Would it be better to open a new topic to announce the voting?
Yes, as it is also done on the tagging mailing list.
It might be best to create a new topic in a that it is linked properly to this one:
... icons+ New topic buttonthat will create a new topic, which will be linked to original one.
You can also choose âReply as linked topicâ when composing a reply, and it will create a new topic with a link back to the original one. Same as the option above.
