E-Roads in Russia

Hello Mappers from Russia,

Sorry, I cannot speak Russian.

At present I do not know any route-planner, who knows the route of the E-Roads in the asien part of Russia. In particular I am interested in the E 22.

This is the E-Road article on wikipedia.in Russian: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%88%D1%80%D1%83%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2 And this is the E-Road article in English on OpenStreetMap: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Europe/E-road_network The “UNECE” linked in this article, has got the E-Road papers in Russian as well. But I am not able to find it. On OpenStreetMap there seems to be no russian E-Road article - at least the russian ones. I’d like, if this problem could be solved by you with the help of OpenStreetMap. It would be the first map in the world, which would provide the route of every E-Road until to its end. Do you see any chance for that?

I’d appreciate, if you could translate my question into russian language and make a new thread with russian title. Thus everybody could read and understand it.

Thank you for an answer :slight_smile:


I dont understand what you mean.
There are artricles about E-roads in both english and russian part of wikipedia.
E-roads in Russia are already mapped to large extent.

Please clarify.

Very much thanks for your answer :slight_smile:

The E-roads in OSM can be represented by relations http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation The relation collects all parts of a long street. This is already done i.e. for the Ring of Moscow. The OSM E-road project page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Europe/E-road_network wants to gather all this relations. Even for the longest E-Roads in Russia E 22 and E 30 there is at present no relation for the russian part. If you scroll down on the project page to E22 or E 30, you can click “check”. There you can render/show the relation with OSM or Google Maps and find out that the russian part is not collected by a relation.

In particular there is a special problem with the E 22. If you have a look to russian wikipedia article of the E22 http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%88%D1%80%D1%83%D1%82_E22 you will find out, that there is a part of the road between M 7 and P 242, which is not represented by a street with a national russian number. Possibly people, who live or drive there, could find out more. Until today I was not able to find any map or route-planner, which shows the route of the E 22 in that part or generally in the eastern part (asia). Thus it would be really great, if OSM was the first one who did.

By the way: I have established the first version of the english wikipedia article of the E22 and later translated the town-links by the help of Wikipedia and established the russian version, hoping that russian people would improve it. Thus I could reimport that informations to the english article. :wink: And since then I am so interested to find out the precise route of the E 22. In the russian article I added a uncommented weblink to the Unece with the english version of the extension-route to asia. I cannot speak russian and thus was not able to find the russian version of the document at the Unece. Possibly you or one of your russian colleagues could find it and place ist as well as a weblink.

I am very thankful that there was a reaction to my posting by you :slight_smile: and hope that the problem is clear now.


Now the problem is clear

First, I have a question. Why is E22 composed of two relations (32943 and 56555) instead of one?

The part of E22 (Elabuga-Izhevsk-Igra) you mentioned in your message, belongs to M7 according to my printed road atlas.

I’ve corrected the link to UNICE document and pointed it to the russian version.

Thank you vvoovv :slight_smile:

I am only a few days at OSM and do not really know. I mean germans wrote (but cannot find it at that moment), that parts of the E-Roads went lost with an older software version and people are looking for users who have a backup of these relations. I surmise, if this search is not successful, the missing parts (which is in case of the E 22 the middle part) have to be “relationed” new. I think, if all parts are complete, it is no problem to join them together in one relation. The problem because of the long extension of the E-roads and the language problem, that nobody is able to check the whole route. Thus I personally think, it would be wise, if you do the relation in russia, to hold a backup. Thus you know, that this version is improved or you know, whether there are possibly parts, which are not clear.

That was first version in russian wikipedia as well. But then it was changed here: http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%88%D1%80%D1%83%D1%82_E22&diff=next&oldid=10772777 There are comments concerning that edit in the discussion here: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5:%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%88%D1%80%D1%83%D1%82_E22 But because I cannot read russian, I do not understand. Could you?


He states that national notation of this part of E22 is not clear. According to the decree of Russian Government from 1991 it should be M7. But other sources point that it should be P320 (from Elabuga to Izhevsk) and P321 (from Izhevsk to Igra).

I think it is not enough just to ask people to do something when there are many unclear points. You should provide some infrastructure.
I would suggest you to combine the two existing relations of E22 (and maybe other routes too) in one and provide some recommendations of how to do the rest of the job and what to do in a particular situation. Then your recommendations could be translated to Russian and other languages.

Thank you vvoovv. :slight_smile:

The E 22 was just my personal wish, not of the community and thus the realisation in an own russian relation would be only a personal favor. And the “recommandations” were only my personal ideas, not more.

The point seems to be, that OSM is a young project. In example I tried to fix the question: “What is a trunk”. At present the definition and evalution is very different in the countries. I tried to gather as many points as possible, how the development condition of a road could be measured. Thus the decision, which of this points make a trunk, was well prepared. But I simply did not find people to discuss that. At present OSM seems as if many parts of the “infrastructure” are made by them, who need it a that moment. But I am new at project and do not know enough, to make such decisions of my own. I am very glad, to meet you as an experienced member.

If a backup of the lost part in netherlands and germany will not show up, I will make it new in an own relation. Because I cruised every part of my own, I know it well. I could also do the part in latvia without the last kilometers at the russian border. There the maps/route-planners in the internet show different routes as well as in russia. I found photos of the border but no hint, where it is. If this is done, I will !!try!! to find more discussion partners, whether the relations could be combined and the ferries could be integrated. Possibly - if no other one is interested - we two have to/could make this decision.

Is there an internet map/route planner availaible, which is made by Russians?


This planner is known to be good:

Google translation:

Thank you for your contribution to that problem. In the meantime the E 22 is available in a single relation: