Call for Volunteers: Help improve the OSMF Affiliation Model with LCCWG

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Hi, @arnalielsewhere

Hope you are fine. I’d like kindly ask you two some important points to me:

  1. Candidacy document analysis

At the present moment, who analyzes the documents that are sent in an application to the local chapter?

In this report, you mention that the LCCWG does not analyze whether a document has been forged or not. Although there is a “document review” stage in the LCCWG process.

The OSMF Board states (by email sent to me) that it is the LCCWG that should evaluate.

So… who should I turn to when I find a forged document involved in an application?

This point is too relevant to ignore, especially if the LCCWG is trying to make the application process more flexible. Who certifies the legal situtation of an informal group or entity?

  1. Communication of the LCCWG meeting has failed in Community OSM

There was a meeting in October 30, 2024, but it was not noticed previously at the OSM Community. I know it was published in the OSM Cal, but why it was not published in this community forum? I would like to participate (and there was a Brazilian participating of this), but I lost this opportunity because it was noticed here.

It seems that some Brazilians knew about the meeting, but didn’t inform us in the OSM Brazil social groups.

Is there any way to publish the LCCWG meetings in the Community OSM too, please?

Thank you for your attention.

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@arnalielsewhere
I found the meeting notice in this old topic about the dicussion

Pehaps you could notice about meetings as as independent topic. Thank you.

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Hi Raquel, the questions you asked are not directly related to the topic of this thread. You can email local[at]osmfoundation.org for LCCWG-related inquiries or board[at]osmfoundation.org for OSMF and board-related concerns.

References:

thanks.

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thanks! Yes, I stopped tagging because of the tagging limit. Thanks for tagging them in the thread!

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I asked you who actually analysis the validity of the local chapter candidacy documents.

But, is not related to this topic?

The topic is “Help improve the OSMF affiliation model with LCCWG.” and I am trying to understand how it can be improved.

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In practical terms I believe that none of the discussion is likely to be relevant for the local/thematic chapter process, but only for groups that do not meet and do not want to meet the requirements for a local or thematic chapter.

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My question was about the validation of candidacy documents, which is part of the accreditation process for entities (or thematic groups). Who validate these documents?
The candidacy entity (or thematic group)? Would that be appropriate?

But, no problem… I can come back to this question at the meeting on the next 16th November, because I think it’s too important to be disregarded. And I think that is not a local issue, but it is part of the overall validation process, that can (need) be improved.

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“Goal: Provide recommendations to the Board as to how the OSMF affiliation scheme can be improved to accommodate less-formal user groups (ie unregistered local communities) and non-geographical/thematic groups.”

We edit WeeklyOSM together, so I understand the context behind your question.

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(over there, click that globe icon for even more context)

(i’m pretty sure that relates to the standard local chapter affiliation scheme, rather than the new concept we’re trying to discuss together in this thread)

I think that this new, less-formal user groups and non-geographical/thematic groups would require less formal documentation than the current OSMF local chapter scheme (however, everything is still under discussion, which is the main reason we’re gathered here).

At the very least, I agree that we should be cautious about the possibility of fraud and impersonation during the future application process.

But I believe an OSM account already serves as a good indicator of someone’s track record within the OSM movement (it is directly linked to detailed HDYC records, detailed c.osm.org account activity, and, more recently, all diary comments on osm.org are easily discoverable through the profile page). Therefore, I suggest that the track record of an OSM account serve as the single source of truth for the future personal identification process.

Well, we could even build a new OSMF group affiliation dashboard management platform that uses OSM account OAuth to streamline this (possibly tedious) process. There’s no need for manual checking; we can automate the screening and verification process.

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Hello, @rphyrin

Thank you. Good to see you here too. Yes, less formal and with distinct attributions for the formal or less formal members (it is in the minute)…

I like this model of more and less formal that was presented.
It is specially important in large countries or continents, where there is a bigger diversity and many local groups can compete for the affiliation process. Creating more positions, it can provides more chances to really local groups participate, reducing conflicts and promoting groups that act in some regions of the country or continent - thinking in a supranational, but continental entity (like the Eastern Africa or North America), not global, because it is the OSM community it self.

I think that this process of accreditation can be improved ALSO if it includes any way to validate better the representation submissions, this is part of this agenda to improve the principal affiliation agenda…

My position is that only the “public consultation” is few because we can eventually have more people “out” of the OSM Community or the social groups.

Or in the situation when the communication fails in any stage and not reaches most mappers. Communication to a wider audience could be the best way of validation but can fails or to be difficult to implement (because of local lobbies, for example). So, I think we could think in any way to check additionally (to the community consultation).

This discussion is more than about the design of the process, but also about the content, ensuring effective means of verification (including reproducible methods) and guarantee of the representation.

IMHO, only the “self-regulation” (by the proper candidacy entity an its “community”) can not be applied because we are treating about the representation of a thematic group or of a country, a lot of people. It needs be really representative. The consultation is only the initial stage of the participation.

On the other hand, I have a genuine interest in the design of the process it self and it’s a pleasure to take part of this anyway. Best regards.

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Happy to join, hope i could be of help

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Hi everyone,

To prepare everyone for our session this Saturday, I request you’re kind cooperation and time to review/accomplish the following in advance:

  1. Review the OSM Wiki documentation and this Call for Volunteers thread

  2. List any questions you have in mind starting in line 77 of the meeting notes

  3. You may also fill out the attendance in advance, share your name, where you are based, and what interests you about joining the LCCWG sub-committee for OSMF Affiliation Models? starting in line 9 of the meeting notes

  4. If you have made up your mind and would like to sign up on one or both of the sub-group (Research and Facilitation), please put your name in the meeting notes (starting in line 79)

thank you and see you on Saturday! :slight_smile:

=Arnalie
on behalf of LCCWG

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I see ‘co-leads’ and ‘members’ listed in the sub-group section. Can we assign ourselves directly to the co-leads section, or is there a mechanism for selecting leaders?

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it’s volunteering, so please do sign up if you want to co-lead a team or be one of it’s members. We will discuss more on Saturday and finalize team compositions :slight_smile:

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Please, is there any way to track who wrote in questions & comments section?

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you can add your name or remain anonymous. We will discuss it tomorrow.

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Hi all, thank you for participating in our meeting last Saturday! For those who weren’t able to join, don’t worry. I am sending highlights and next steps here:

Key takeaway / priority action:

We are assigning team roles and signing up. Please sign up for the team/s that you are interested in thru the notes, from row 1 to 39: OSMF Affiliation Models brainstorming - HackMD

highlights

  • about 14 people joined the call :slight_smile:
  • we focused our session in getting to know each, and providing clear guidance and space for questions regarding the sub-committee’s goals, volunteer roles, and what to expect
  • we created 2 teams and signed up for co-lead/s or member/s role: 1) Research Team and 2) Coordination and Facilitation Team.

Next steps

  • Volunteers to sign up for the team/s that they are interested in. Please sign up thru the notes, from row 1 to 39: OSMF Affiliation Models brainstorming - HackMD
  • Arnalie to update thread, group and osm wiki about the meeting highlights - DONE
  • Arnalie to schedule next volunteer meet: ~Dec7 or week of Dec9
  • Arnalie to meet with Co-leads to ensure alignment with the 2 teams
  • Co-leads to meet with their team and start the process
  • Arnalie to create whatsapp group and add team members - DONE

Have a great week :slight_smile:
=Arnalie

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If you’re using that for group messages, is there any reason why a group on this forum wouldn’t have worked?

Large third-party messaging apps have a habit of getting disabled by some regimes around the world (and Whatsapp/Facebook is of course Facebook).

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tagging @Muluba @Siaosi_Lutui @NADARAJ_SARANYA Nadaraj @Arnold_Nkwabong @Minha_Mahroof @Mouonnibe for your ACTION please:

Please sign up for the team/s that you are interested in thru the notes, from row 1 to 39: OSMF Affiliation Models brainstorming - HackMD
Thank you!

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I asked the team their preferred chat group to build cohesion, and to easily connect, and most shared their preference to have a whatsapp group.

We aim to share updates in this thread and in the osm wiki as well.

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Thank you, @arnalielsewhere , we will help you to share the messages too.

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