Adding Motorcycle categories Suitability to smoothness=* wiki

[julcnx]

Aiming to enhance OSM tagging support tailored for motorcycle users.

This, I believe, would be a good categorization to add to the wiki table:

smoothness	motorcycle categories
good	sport motorcycles
intermediate	cruiser/touring motorcycles
bad	commuter/standard motorcycles
very_bad	adventure motorcycles
horrible	dual-sport motorcycles
very_horrible	enduro motorcycles (remove Trial)

Unlike enduro bikes, trial bikes can tackle most conditions where other off-road vehicles fail and ideally belong in a lower category.

However, using smoothness=impassable would be misleading, as trial motorcycles are not intended for trails anyway, much like the motocross category. Therefore, I would exclude them from the current smoothness=very_horrible description.

Your thoughts ?

[rhhs (Richard)]

I have no experience in motorbikes, so can’t judge your categorisation. Maybe the different types of motorbikes need an explanation (and a picture)?

Which tagging practice for smoothness did you take into account? The one based on the table on the main smoothness wiki page or the one based on the smoothness gallery? See Revision of Smoothness Gallery

[bradrh]

It looks pretty good, altho I’m not so sure about the better half of the tags. I’ve been riding a 200+ kg adventure bike (T7) and a 140 kg dual sport (WRR) and tagging the unpaved roads in that manner. I don’t think a long description of each is necessary, but a weight would be helpful. I think the term ‘enduro’ is not consistently used. Perhaps dirt bike, or trail bike are the common terms in my part of the world.
It’s obviously subjective and depends on the skill of the rider, but there’s no way around that.

I don’t base my opinion so much on the pictures, but from the descriptions and my experience with USFS and USGS maps which use the terms ‘high clearance’, and 4wd. very_bad = high clearance, horrible = 4wd, very_horrible= bad 4wd.

smoothness	motorcycle categories
very_bad	adventure motorcycles (>180kg)
horrible	dual-sport motorcycles (< 180kg)
very_horrible	Trail motorcycles (<130kg, very capable offroad suspension) (remove Trial)

[julcnx]

@rhhs

Maybe the different types of motorbikes need an explanation (and a picture)?

A link to Wikipedia should suffice—I’d expect motorcycle enthusiasts to already be familiar with the category of bike they own. Personally, I’m not well-versed in the different types of mountain bikes or bicycles, but I’ve never needed to look it up either.

@rhhs

Which tagging practice for smoothness did you take into account? The one based on the table on the main smoothness wiki page or the one based on the smoothness gallery? See Revision of Smoothness Gallery

I definitely referred to the main wiki page—I wasn’t even aware of the sub-page. Honestly, I’d prefer having all the useful information consolidated in one place.

[julcnx]

@bradrh

I don’t think a long description of each is necessary, but a weight would be helpful.

I completely agree—weight is a big deal. Your recommendations look good!

@bradrh

Perhaps dirt bike, or trail bike are the common terms in my part of the world.

In my area, it’s more about “Enduro.” According to Wikipedia, “dirt bikes” can include motocross, trials, and dual-sport, so we could simply stick with “Trail/Enduro motorcycles.”

very_bad	adventure motorcycles (>180kg)
horrible	dual-sport motorcycles (< 180kg)
very_horrible	trail/enduro motorcycles (<130kg, highly capable off-road suspension) [remove Trial]