I would like to report a potential case of non-constructive editing affecting OpenStreetMap data, which appears to be part of a broader cross-project pattern. A related dispute on Wikidata concerning the promotion of a personal subject and attempts to delete unrelated geographical items named “Kagwe” has since concluded, and the personal item involved has been deleted following community review. However, in OpenStreetMap, a node bearing the name “Kagwe” appears to have been removed by the same individual and has not yet been reverted. The deletion can be seen in the history of the node “Kagwe” (a place in Kenya), where the feature was removed without clear evidence that it was fictitious or obsolete. This deletion does not appear to be supported by verifiable sources, and similar places continue to be supported by external references and community review elsewhere. I am submitting this report to request community review of the relevant changeset and to assess whether further action is necessary.
Comment on the changeset, and see the reaction. If none, a revert may make sense.
Classic example of tying place=* to the legal status of a place rather than the mere existence of a named place. Already put a comment under the changeset why this is a bad one.
Please avoid ad hominem argument. It had nothing to do personally. You are clearly trying to erase and replace information based only on its sameness with your name. You are overreacting with using “ancestry“ argument, something is peculiar, nearing nonsense.
But lets assume good faith in that. If theres a place, historically named Kagwe, you should be the one maintaining its validity, by leaving its trace in archives and maps. If there are changes you make change, update it, instead of deleting it.
Having one place named exactly as the subject, does not invalidate other records about the subject. As you shown in Wikidata community, you had thousands of records, if so, why bother 2 archival record and insists on their erasure? Why are you trying so hard to get every subject named “Kagwe“ returned to your subject?
My argument is same as what stated by the user @ManuelB701 in changeset comment. Continual of non AGF arguments will result in report of harassment, in both project.
You named me, but I simply raised questions.
So I looked closer at your modification.
As @ManuelB701 told in the changeset, you did not delete a boundary, but a node.
No need to “keep” boundaries as those boundaries are not, were not present in OpenStreetMap.
Close to the node you have Kagwe Market, Kagwe playing ground, Kagwe primary school, Kagwe dispensary, Kagwe Nyanduma.
So a place named Kagwe here seems to make sense.
describes the “Kagwe Dispensary” located at “Kagwe Shopping Centre”.
Is Kagwe (or “Kagwe Shopping Centre”?) of the size of a village? Smaller?
KMHFR | Kagwe Community Health Unit says “Households monitored 2800”, so something located in Nyanduma Ward refering to Kagwe named Kagwe exist or did exist.
Do people live there or not?
You mention the low usage in addresses. OK, then maybe place=hamlet would be better.
Way History: Kagwe Shopping Centre (228647289) | OpenStreetMap LoL
“Kagwe Sub Location” seems to be used so keeping it at least as “alt_name” would make sense.
I believe the data should be reverted to its original state, before @Archer470 made any edits. Right now the explenations given don’t really make any sense and this feels like soapboxing to me. But I’m open to hearing better arguments.
Would you mind answering a few questions?
What does this mean by this?
You were the one that deleted information, so that responsibility falls on you. Could you provide us with another source where this villgae or boundary does not exist?
In some of your changesets you mention that “The amenities are part of Kagwe Shopping Center.” How does it make sense to change a boundary into a stated “Shopping centre”? Changeset: 175253020 | OpenStreetMap
What does this source you’ve been sharing show us? https://kmhfl.health.go.ke/public/facilities/127ee118-baae-4650-8bbc-d697f36eebc8
All I see here is that the Kenyan Ministry of Health has a facility it names ‘Kagwe Dispensary’, but I am not sure what that is supposed to explain.
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This claims are irrelevant to whether place named Kagwe exists or not, and should be mapped or not.
The only relevance of mentioning it here in discussion here is that they make your other claims far more dubious. And likely should be all treated as invalid.
Especially with short names potential accidental matches are likely. And if your identity/career has problems, it is not because place named Kagwe exists (or does not exist).
I have removed your contributions and restored the status quo.
The main reason for this is that you cannot seem to give a clear reason as to why this place no longer exists. Your reasons seem more motivated by your own personal branding rather than a desire to correct some fact. (e.g [link removed as gesture of good will] sharing the same name as some random village on the other side of the world from you)
Your initial mentions in Wikidata-OSM cross project vandalism report - #5 by Archer470 also appear irrelevant.
Similarly, my name match to Way: Mateusz (302480186) | OpenStreetMap gives me no special authority to that area.
Can you then repeat it?
So why did you also delete the entry in Tanzania? Changeset: 175220892 | OpenStreetMap
You just happen to have exact local knowledge of two villages sharing the same name as you in two different countries on the other side of the world as you? The same villages that are somehow threatening your identity and career?
I’m just a human named Kagwe in the U.S. whose identity/career has been under attack not only by @yamatoshiya but also by imposters from Kenya.
If anyone here reach TL1 or above, could this be counted as harassment? Not only this accusation is baseless, I am only relaying Wikidata community concern about node erasure which already investigated in Wikidata. If anyone agree with this, kindly flag it. Thanks
For deficiencies of English Wikipedia please contact English Wikipedia community. Unless they banned you, then do not contact them.
For topic here: please explain how you know that those two settlements are not existing. Have you edited solely based on Wikipedia?
You seem to be misunderstanding things here.
First, we don’t really use Wikipedia for data such as this. What Wikipedia says on the matter is not relevant to OSM. Though of course if it said something clear like “This place does not exist anymore” in plain [language], then it would be a good starting point for further inquery.
I am not against people taking a closer look at the situation in Kenya and correcting the data if needed. Most of us here know how iffy map quality and available data can be in regions like this. It is entirely possible that the village of Kagwe doesn’t exist anymore, has been renamed, or has otherwise been restructured. But if any changes are to be made, it needs to be done based on clear, trustworthy, and verifiable data.
What seems to be the issue here is how you are presenting yourself. You’ve come barging in, hyper focussed on this one specific issue. You use questionable sources that don’t tell us much, you avoid answering questions, accuse people of attacking you, and it seems like you have some sort of personal stake in this issue. All of this combined makes your actions extremely suspect.
Based on this, I don’t believe we can trust your word in this matter anymore. That doesn’t make it a conspiracy, or an attack, nor does it mean that these opinions are formed on emotion rather than facts. It is simply a consequence of how you have presented yourself here.
@Taya_S I appreciate your candid response, but I would also appreciate fair treatment.
I answered your questions where I wasn’t really required to and it was irrelevant, disclosed any potential COI, and provided clear sources (government data, Wikipedia page) to support points.
The way I’ve been attacked through this thread, while being the only one providing any valuable information, is a representation of how this community operates. You don’t trust the facts. You trust people’s reactions and a popular vote. That’s a huge problem.
For the avoidance of doubt…
The existence of a place in OSM does not need related to any administrative boundary or admin_level. People ask questions about that all the time (including, in the last few days, someone from Nottinghamshire, England).
Just because administrative areas have been restructured does not mean that a place’s name has changed - the two will often be separate.
Given the thread above, it seems entirely reasonable to ask for evidence to support changes being suggested.
– Andy (like Taya, also from the Data Working Group)
Why are you a different account now?
Because there’s a limit on the number of times I can reply my first day in the commuity and this needed my immediate attention.
ANYMORE QUESTIONS? Anyone need to know what I ate today? Or what I’m going to do with my day? Would it help you fix this issue or is it just to make more judgements about me?
If you are deleting things with justification “it is not listed on Wikipedia” then please stop.
Wikipedia is a separate project, we map all the time things not documented on Wikipedia.