Undiscussed Wiki-Edits by the User Rtfm (museum=open_air)

After some discussion in Freilichtmuseen - wie taggen? - #17 by Rogehm i changed the museum tag because there was confusion on how to tag a open air museum and so on. So i clarified and changed the english and german version accordingly.

Now the user User:Rtfm - OpenStreetMap Wiki changed it to something i think is wrong and more importantly seems to be nowhere been discussed before. The site they changed it to was created yesterday - by that same user. Key:museum:type - OpenStreetMap Wiki
Also, the change removes the tagging of the site-name itself, absurdedly.

A quick glance through the discussion and reading through the user-site is, a bit worriesome. Also, there seems to be no user-account on osm.org itself. Also the user does not seem to be in the forum, over all i’m asking myself, whats the goal here? (Of course, everybody can help in their own way and maybe they have accounts with a different name, but as of now everything seems pretty theoretical)

Where was already a discussion where the name was mentioned (Tagging practice and ever-recurring undiscussed Wiki edits - #46 by Mateusz_Konieczny) but i think @Mateusz_Konieczny and @SomeoneElse already had their run-ins with said user according to the wiki-discussion on the usersite.

Whats best course to do? I would like to revert but: how do i do that in wiki? Is there a tool? A button to get back to a older version? Could not find anything. Simply copy&paste the old stuff? Thats what i did right now.

And secondly, what to do if there is a editing-war resulting?

Hope to get some answers and help. If i have done something wrong, please tell me as well, so i can change accordingly :slight_smile:

The OSM account associated with that wiki account is ti-lo and they do seem to be busily editing museums. If any of those edits seem to be wrong, the usual suggestions apply - commenting on the changeset, explaining what seems to be the issue, and perhaps also suggesting that they discuss here.

If they’re just tagfiddling from musuem=open_air to museum:type=open_air (where the latter page is something they created literally today) then I’d expect them to be able to explain the reasoning with the rest of the OSM community. If they’re unable to do that then the DWG may have to revert all relevant edits (we have done that in the past with this user). Hopefully it won’t come to that this time though.

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After some discussion in Freilichtmuseen - wie taggen? - #17 by Rogehm i changed the museum tag because there was confusion on how to tag a open air museum and so on. So i clarified and changed the english and german version accordingly.

Now the user User:Rtfm - OpenStreetMap Wiki changed it to something i think is wrong and more importantly seems to be nowhere been discussed before. The site they changed it to was created yesterday - by that same user. Key:museum:type - OpenStreetMap Wiki

he also added a deprecation template to museum_type (overall I think it is ok, although there are some values which aren’t in use for the suggested replacement operator:type)

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That’s a bit of a hodge-podge (republican?) and the number doesn’t seem to have changed much recently.

How do we deal with changes that have obviously been made on the basis of these new changes? See: Changeset: 162404644 | OpenStreetMap

The user @ti-lo already had a number of blocks from @woodpeck and @SomeoneElse: Blocks on ti-lo | OpenStreetMap

At that time, it was also about undiscussed, mechanical edits.

Personally I think that Rtfm should follow their username and read wiki, not write it.

Not investigated what they did this time, but in 2021 I did, this resulted in ban request .

This user was also blocked on wiki and osm.org

Help:Page history - Wikipedia should mostly apply (Wikipedia rules are not applying, especially highly developed bureaucracy feudalism ones, but we are using the same software so usage guides will almost entirely apply)

I would post on Wiki:Requests for administrator attention - OpenStreetMap Wiki or Talk:Wiki - OpenStreetMap Wiki

Looking at that, there are two data changes - museum=historical to museum=archaeological (which seems reasonable, from looking at the museum website) and adding museum:type=open_air.

Edit: I originally wrote museum_type in the text above, which was incorrect. I’ve fixed it now :slight_smile:

Strange, museum:type=open_air instead of museum_type=open_air is displayed as an addition on my side.

Same when I open the way in JOSM:
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And when I click on the tag from JOSM and open Taginfo, I come to a page for a tag that has not yet been used a single time.

But then I had misunderstood the topic here and will mark the changeset with “Good” :slight_smile: Sorry for the noise!

Okay, i found out how to revert without having to copy&paste everything.

I personally think this change might be worth a discussion in the forum. But it seems they just want to do their thing without discussing it with anyone? They did not answer on Talk:Key:museum:type - OpenStreetMap Wiki and to the comment i added in Talk:Tag:museum=open air - OpenStreetMap Wiki (my fault for not adding a point in there back then, i think i simply missed it. I added a link to the forum in the change-comment)

Now we got a back and forth with what seems to me like “discussion in the german section is irrelevant and my non-discussed thing is more relevant”? I dunno. If there is another revert coming, i will open a request at Wiki:Requests for administrator attention - OpenStreetMap Wiki

On https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:museum:type I’ve suggested that they at least discuss this over here.

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Before anything more is said from any side, I would like to apologize in advance, if an unclear comment from me (half a decade ago) has provided one excuse to be exploited into this mess. In a discussion about museum_type= with museum= and subject= , I casually brought up the necessity of using something else at least museum:type= to avoid conflicting with the then dominant use of museum_type= for geographies (with various meanings), which is obviously still bad (while it can at least be distinguished and sorted out later). Talk:Tag:tourism=museum - OpenStreetMap Wiki