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Indeed, but we really need to get the first parts of the import guidelines sorted out before we start thinking about fixing the data, What even is the licence? I notice that @M-NCPPC_Import has been active in the last 15 minutes but still hasn’t replied here or updated the import catalogue.

If communication doesn’t occur any other way I’ll have to don a DWG hat again and ask them to contact us by email (and block the account until they do). That’d be a pain because it’d prevent them posting here until the block is lifted (and obviously we want them to post here first!).

Edit: See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/7067. Hopefully that’ll just be for a few minutes until we get the email.

Edit2: Now revoked

Unfortunately M-NCPPC Planning Department - OpenStreetMap Wiki seems to work as both, the project page and the import description. There is a line in the table at Import/Catalogue but its status is still “planned”. Looking at other lines of the table updating seems to be a common problem and not tied to this import.

Alas https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/M-NCPPC_Planning_Department was last updated in 2019, which isn’t great. Also https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/M-NCPPC_Planning_Department#License says “https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/” which isn’t compatible


I attempted to create an account to update the Import Catalogue, but I could not due to some IP address issue.

If I can do so, I will, but I was unable to. I have gone back and cleaned my previous uploads with JSOM validator.

Thanks! If you can provide a few more details about the actual error I’m sure that someone would be able to help.

I tried turning off VPN, that didn’t help.

For info, https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/18937/what-dnsbl-used-for-the-wiki has some info. No idea if the two providers listed there from 2013 are still valid.

If you have the ability to sign up via a different route (perhaps, tethering to a mobile phone) then you could perhaps try that.

Mobile phone worked. I am updating Import catalogue.


Just to update people here:

The import catalogue has been updated. That links to this page. The licence is https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/, which is a potential problem (see also this LWG blog post).

I’ve asked here for a waiver, and given that the importer either is or is very close to someone who can issue such a waiver, I hope that that won’t be a problem.

The other thing that hasn’t happened is the “discuss” parts of the import guidelines. Clearly that page was never followed in detail or we wouldn’t have got this far down the track with a licence that isn’t appropriate on its own. To be fair, the initial “mailing list discussion” on the import list back in 2018 got no replies at all, although there were some “hello and welcome!” replies on talk-us. Clearly there was a problem seven days ago, or this thread wouldn’t have been created, but if there is anything else related to data quality, conflation, etc. that also needs raising with the importer then I’d suggest doing that directly via changeset discussion comment and also mentioning it here.

Import continues with still a lot of problems. :unamused:
I have commented Changeset: 135166090 | OpenStreetMap and Changeset: 135161789 | OpenStreetMap.

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Addressed in the Changeset comments. Will fix and then fix for future. I am also getting waiver, before future uploads, however, was wondering if that is necessary as we are the owners of the data. It is our data that we generated.


Thanks - it is necessary; it’s for OSM so that we’ve got a licence to point to if anyone asks any questions in the future.

Getting that to you shortly. Also a message was sent directly to you.

Just for info, since I didn’t explicitly point it out above, the blog post I mentioned has a link to a suggested format of cover letter and waiver that could go with the current licence. It is something like that that OSM would need. You might not need to use the cover letter at all of course - just get someone to sign the waiver.

@M-NCPPC_Import How’s the waiver coming along? Do you need anyone else’s help with it?

Where should I post it?

Somewhere on the wiki perhaps? I’d have a look at what other importers have done. Here, for example, is explicit permission granted for OSM to use some Polish government data. Personal email addresses have been removed from that (which makes sense), but the link to the data that it refers to have been left in. I’d also link to your OSM account to tie up that loose end too, without revealing your email address.

One more thing - this page was last updated in 2019. We know that whatever process you were following wasn’t really good enough because this thread got created (but you have embarked on a substantial tidy-up of the problems, so thanks for that).

However, I definitely think that it would be useful to reread https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines and think about what else you need to do. This section is presumably intended to be covered by this, but something went horribly wrong in the execution.