Tagging that fence is wooden, without further detail: fence_type=wood vs material=wood

Sometimes one may want to mark that fence is wooden.

Is there any good reason to use fence_type for that?

fence_type=wood is generic and makes impossible to tag type of fence. Also, if someone would make it more detailed and change it to say fence_type=slatted then you lose info that it is made of wood. Most of fence_type=paling, =post_and_rail, =roundpole, =slatted, =split_rail are wooden, but not all.

It seems to me that material=wood is much better for that - you will not lose this info when someone details fence_type, uses standard key for marking material.

To the point that I think that recommending in general to use solely material=wood for marking that fence is made out of wood and mass-moving existing fence_type=wood to material=wood would be a good idea (note: this is NOT a bot proposal, if anyone wants to make a mass edit they need to make a dedicated bot proposal).

(if anyone is curious how I run into it: recently I was triaging iD tagging schema PRs trying to find mergeable ones and ones that can be closed and encountered Add translatable strings for fence_type field by kjonosm Ā· Pull Request #746 Ā· openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema Ā· GitHub )

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Yes, please. fence_type=* should not have values that are actually material=* :pensive_face:
I have to admit, I used fence_type=wood myself for trellis-work fence (more commonly known as hunter fence), because that’s what the picture is showing, and it’s the most common type of fence over here…

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wood is not the only fence type value reflecting the material instead of a structural type. There is also wire, concrete, metal and glass doing so.

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And then the Osmose guardian tells if u used material=* and proposes you should smack it with fence_type tag, too. (first time I hear of hunter fence which TagInfo reveals as having been used 6 times fence_type=hunter_fence | Tags | OpenStreetMap Taginfo . They’re popular here to ā€˜wall’ sides of balconies to generate shade and guide some climbing plant, but there are different ideas of what a hunter fence is… such as this on the front page of a Hunter Fence Co.

Yeah, it has Fence with material tag, also add fence_type complaint

See say Osmose

I guess that it would be one of things to change.

I have not looked into detail, but especially concrete and metal seem like something that is entirely orthogonal - and may take different forms, including ones typically taken by wooden fences.

For glass it probably also may make sense but probably you have one way to structure it, so it is not suffering from part of issues present for wood concrete and metal values.

Can we arrange for the forum to put 40,000 volts up the arms of anyone quoting Osmose as the ā€œgospelā€ of tagging? :smile:

Osmose says a lot of things, but on its own front page makes it very clear that you also need to think through what is best in a given situation…

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I should make a quest for fence_type and additionally material for SCEE.
I’d probably tag half of the fences here as wooden hunters fences.

Oh, too little time :slightly_frowning_face:. And I’ve never done that before.

I think glass applies primarily for fence=railing - I myself have never ever seen a glass fence and even the sample pic in the wiki shows a glass balcony railing. And yes, in the case of glass one can not imagine many different structures made of glass other than metal of wooden frames with glass panels.

Contrary to that wood, concrete and metal fences can definitely have different structures.

The same applies for wire fences which are the most common type appearing as barbed wire, chain link, knotted, vertical rods, welded mesh, horizontal strings and more. For some of those we have separate tags, for others not. In other words there is no consistent tagging scheme.

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OT\ Think you need a very serious dose of antihistamines kept on hand (and still think you need to compose a template response to more easily get it off your chest. The quicker the antidote, the less the allergic reaction can knock thru… all that wheezing for hours is no good) /OT

How about https://www.absolut.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Frameless-vs.-Semi-Frameless-Glass-Pool-Fencing.webp

& I think I added that photo, so may need a different one!

Hmm, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/202504_ē¾Šé§č§€č³žå€ēš„ēŽ»ē’ƒåœę¬„(Anti-birdstrike_sticker_included)_ę‹ę”ę–¼č‡ŗåŒ—åø‚ē«‹å‹•ē‰©åœ’å…’ē«„å‹•ē‰©å€.jpg or File:Salzburg Airport, 2016 (04).jpg - Wikimedia Commons?

I did not say that there are no glass fences at all, just that I have never seen one … :innocent:.

Nevertheless I’d say a glass fence may be super stylish but is a bit risky anyhow, even if you use the best hardened glass for it, not to mention the costs. So I think one will not see many of those in public places.

Anyhow in the case of glass used as material there is not much space for different structures so I think it is ok to define ā€œglassā€ as a fence_type.

Personally I would rather tag such structure as barrier (barrier=glass_panels) than fence because in german language we would not call such thing ā€œZaunā€ (= fence) but ā€œAbsperrungā€ (= barrier) or ā€œEinfassungā€ (= enclosure).

Makes me think of:

I have seen quite a lot of these, I think they have been popular for urban rennovation projects around here, not just in metropolitan areas for museums and train stations etc., but also in smaller towns and villages in the country side. They are not ā€œriskyā€ generally, eventually can be seen worse than those made from opaque material, but there is no risk of them loosing structural stability because they are constructed with laminated safety glass and will remain in place if the glass breaks.

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(do not get confused by the metal fence in the background, it is on the other side of the street that is below the glass fence we see)

(from the other side)

Actually, most such glass fences I have seen had at least one segment broken but still in place, also here you can see one.

IMHO best word is ā€œBrüstungā€ which translates to ā€œrailingā€ (and some more variations)

The constructive differences are where they are clamped (only on the bottom or also laterally at the sides, whether the clamping is linear or punctual, and whether there is a steel profile uniting them at the top (common I think, AFAIK in Germany it is mandatory, but in the pictured one it is absent, while the Chinese zoo example above has one, could also have to do with the potential falling height, if you cannot fall dangerously high, the standard requirements might be more lenient)

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