RfC: emoji reactions, in particular the popcorn emoji, and forum culture (was: remove the popcorn emoji as a reaction)

I trust you understand why I react with :frowning_face:? If not, well…

(Not to be mean-spirited here. I just think this was a fitting way to make a point.)

Hopefully it is because you are sad that I am all out of real world popcorn and I strongly now desire some because of this thread making me desire some. My favourite is this one, sorry sweet fans.

Update: The above comment is emotional release. Genuinely light hearted (and hopefully amusing) response to a difficult topic, on which I heavily invested earlier in the thread.

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I would like for any removal of :popcorn: on these grounds to be accompanied by a removal of :-1: on the same grounds. I realize this may not align with your communication preferences, but from where I sit, :-1: is all too often derogatory, tantamount to :fu:, unless it’s literally inside a :+1::-1: voting UI. And even then, :heavy_plus_sign::heavy_minus_sign: would be less fraught. Unfortunately, I also argued for disabling post voting, because that plugin is so broken in other ways. Argh.

For what it’s worth, “reading the room” isn’t necessarily about social conformity. Some users were being objectively disruptive to the community over a long term, but the ban hammer was slower to come down than some in the community wanted. (The ban hammer eventually did come down, and hard.) However, there probably was a more serious way to go about addressing the situation than angling for a coveted spot in the emoji picker.

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Sometimes people use “report” as a way of saying “I disagree with this point of view”. For a bit of context, I’m a moderator in the “help and support” areas here, and a also a DWG member. For what it’s worth, a much higher percentage of the DWG reports than forum reports are of the “I disagree with this point of view” type (I can think of exactly one forum “I disagree” report in recent weeks but literally dozens of DWG ones). Assuming I haven’t missed anything that got hidden before it got mailed out, I don’t recall anything hide-worthy here and I think your response to not hide posts was correct.

There are serious discussions on this site - some of which people external to it might understand (“What to label the Gulf of Mexico as?”) and some of which may not (“Parking lanes and traffic lanes”). They may find it difficult to understand the level of engagement with whether or not people should be able to respond to posts with 10 reactions or 11.

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(I will not be reading the entire thread, nor will I be reading any replies to this message.)

Just some personal feedback, but for a place that was supposed to unify the community and become the main avenue of discussion on OSM topics, this space is far too unwelcoming for me to use any longer. This is a general air, not just because of interactions I’ve had. I personally find most of the emoji reactions to only add negative interaction.

I use another Discourse community — one that has its fair share of spirited debate on subjects — but the community feels much more welcoming. This is due to better rules (and better enforcement of its rules) and the fact that the only reaction they have is the :heart: one.

I’m glad to see that discussion on this topic is finally happening. I hope it’s productive, but given what I’ve seen from this forum in the past I will not be holding my breath.

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Convincing by exhaustion, maybe. The proposal was spammed across dozens of other topics. If another user had done it, they might have been called out for it. But I guess there are users and then there are users.

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The nice thing about reaction emojis being so ambiguous and interpretable in many different ways, is that you can safely ignore them. Anyone who has something that they deem important enough to share, will write a normal reply as well. There will be no important decisions made by reaction that you will miss out on :slight_smile:

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That’s kinda hypocritical to say a popcorn emoji is traumatizing and ask for comments then when you get them and don’t like them to say it’s “utterly despicable and deplorable” to put kindly.

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Can you explain what behaviour here is “utterly despicable and deplorable”? I’m genuinely not seeing any. I see some attempt to make jokes (and clearly those did not always land, as is the way with jokes) but I see nothing despicable or deplorable.

I suspect people may need a bit more context as to exactly what the problem is here - clearly there is a failure of communication somewhere and we won’t know what that is unless we talk about it.

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Emoji reactions are a good. We should have more of them. On other platforms I regularly use, one can react with any of the many emoji. The limited selection here is odd by comparison. If you want to react with an emoji that isn’t in the list you can type it into a reply instead, although you have to repeat it multiple times to satisfy the minimum character limit:

:evergreen_tree::evergreen_tree::evergreen_tree::evergreen_tree::evergreen_tree::evergreen_tree::evergreen_tree::evergreen_tree::evergreen_tree::evergreen_tree:

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You were the one who started the original campaign to add it, so clearly you care about more than anyone.

This kind of sarcastic trolling is extremely rude, especially in response to a genuine appeal, and is exactly the kind of anti-productive and unfriendly behavior that this thread was created to critique. Since this topic apparently isn’t being moderated, I encourage you personally to reconsider.

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Would you be able to describe the actions you expect from the moderators so that the topic is moderated from your point of view? That would help me a lot to reflect on my own behavior and perspective as a moderator and to improve my actions in the future. Thank you!

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if I interpret interface correctly then RfC: emoji reactions, in particular the popcorn emoji, and forum culture (was: remove the popcorn emoji as a reaction) - #36 is marked as comment from moderator in their capacity as a moderator

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Thanks mate, I was about to write the same in response to the question

And the comment:

is not very far away from it.

I want to point out that personally I do not have any problem with using emojis as reactions and I also believe the popcorn emoji does not do any harm but I also can understand that other people feel different. So if someone shows the courage to honestly explain the problem they experience with this issue it is surely fine to explain any other viewpoint with respect but it is disgusting to make fun about the others persons point with some snotty sarcastic comment.

For my understanding such comments are definitely not

as they are lacking the respect and the effort to understand the other point, as described under “Expected behaviour”.

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Saying that a statement is polite does not make it so. Calling someone (or their behavior) “despicable” for a single reply is certainly more hostile than any poorly placed popcorn pun or emoji reaction we forum users have in our arsenal.

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I’ve re-read the now-hidden post and still can’t see it as anything other than as a joke. It’s in reply to @M_dgard , but it’s clearly written as a “reductio ad absurdum” and an attempt at humour - an attempt to say what would happen if we weren’t allowed to react to each other in any way (and hence couldn’t even agree or disagree). You can argue about whether it was a very good joke or not (FWIW I don’t think it was a particularly good joke) but I suspect that most people would interpret it as an attempt at a joke. The way I interpreted the way that it was written was mocking the argument; not anyone in particular making that argument.

The post at the top of this thread is literally a “request for comments”. Presumably people have to be able to comment in reply to that request?

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Forums have had emojis (well, emoticons) for controversial post reactions since before emojis were in unicode, I think claiming to be stigmatised or traumatised reads like an attempt to emotionally blackmail the community into removing something that you personally dislike. Controversy goes hand in hand with progress, and I don’t see an issue with it as a reaction.

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I would think the same. If the argument is that the negative expression :popcorn: is traumatizing/stigmatizing, I think same scrutiny should be applied to other reaction emojis.

:-1: is already ruled out. Then if I react to a post with emoji that indicates the post made me :cry: cry, :angry: angry or made me do an impression of Edvard Munch - The Scream :open_mouth:. I think all of these are unacceptable too.

Same goes for :frowning_face: , that looks like the post made me sad. Also :laughing: should be removed since that indicates either that the post was funny in a good way, or that the post was funny in a bad way. Furthermore the :heart: should be also reconsidered, since that seems like expression of love, and I think we should maintain a level of professionalism in the public forum.

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Well, my comment was sincere and unironic. After all, the proposal for :popcorn: was initially a parody of the proposal for :-1: before it took on a life of its own. But I understand that the removal of both can lead to a slippery slope argument.

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I am sure other participants will see it the same way but there are also those who don’t. Sarcasm is a sharp weapon and should always be applied with care.

Of course. There are lots of comments above, more pro (including myself) than contra - any opinion should be accepted, as long as it comes along in friendly wording.

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