Proposal to rename and standardise VIC PT tagging

Hi all,

As I have been working on the Oceania Australis Map Style with @kurisubrooks , in the process we’ve identified some inconsistencies in how public transport is tagged across Victoria that we’d like to address with the help of @Ethan_Grobin.

Background

While reviewing PT tagging for the map style, we noticed Victoria’s network tagging is significantly inconsistent compared to other states (particularly NSW). Additionally, with the recent rebranding of Public Transport Victoria (PTV) to Transport Victoria, now seems like an appropriate time to standardise these tags.

Proposed Changes

We’re planning to systematically update Victoria’s PT infrastructure to:

  1. Update network branding: Change network=* tags from “Public Transport Victoria” / “PTV” to follow the format <department/brand> - <sector> (e.g., “Transport Victoria - Buses”, “Transport Victoria - Regional Trains”) to reflect the official rebrand

  2. Add network:wikidata tags: Ensure all PT stops and stations have consistent network:wikidata=* tags pointing to the appropriate Wikidata entity

  3. Standardise tag application: Make sure all stops/stations within each network have matching network tags (currently there’s quite a bit of variation)

The goal is to bring Victoria’s PT tagging up to the same standard we’ve achieved in NSW, which will improve data quality and consistency for renderers, routing engines, and other data consumers.

Wider Context

This is part of a broader effort - we anticipate similar work will be needed in QLD, SA, TAS, and WA as we incorporate their respective PT branding into the map style.

Seeking Input

Before we proceed with bulk edits:

  • Are there any objections or concerns about this approach?

  • Are there tagging conventions we should be aware of?

  • Any suggestions for improvement?

We’ll be following with proper changesets with clear descriptions, and we are happy to discuss the approach before making changes.

Thanks for your input!

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For buses, here are the tag changes:

From:

network=PTV – Metropolitan Buses
network=PTV – Metropolitan Buses
network=PTV – Regional Buses

To:

network=Transport Victoria - Buses
network:wikidata=Q5001340

And these tags:

network=PTV – Regional Coaches

To:

network=Transport Victoria - Coaches
network:wikidata=Q137825798

For trains:

Metro

network=PTV - Metropolitan Trains
network=PTV – Metropolitan Trains

To:

network=Transport Victoria - Metropolitan Trains
network:wikidata=Q137825805

V/Line

network=PTV - Regional Trains
network=PTV – Regional Trains
network=V/Line

To:

network=Transport Victoria - Regional Trains
network:wikidata=Q137825835

I’m not posting tags twice - the dashes are different, the wiki editors got fancy and used long dashes you cannot type and both got used. I will only use normal dashes - these ones

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For Trams:

network=PTV - Metropolitan Trams
network=PTV – Metropolitan Trams

To:

network=Transport Victoria - Trams
network:wikidata=Q2060470

For Ferries:

They gain this, no previous tag to replace

network=Transport Victoria - Ferries
network:wikidata=Q137825825

This page will be updated accordingly if this is done: Australian Tagging Guidelines/Transportation - OpenStreetMap Wiki

Most likely i’ll update the stops with existing outdated network tagging first, then typos, then move onto stops without network tags. I’ll probably do buses first.

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Wikidata ID for tram network in Melbourne: Melbourne tram network - Wikidata

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network=Transport Victoria - Ferries

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Thank you. now all we are missing is suburban trains

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I have added the network tags to all ferries except the one to tassie (not sure if it should have the vic tag or not) in Changeset: 177471642 | OpenStreetMap

I wish there was a better way to edit Wikidata, manually adding attributes through the UI is horribly slow with a few seconds lag each entry point.

I’ve added a few extra statements to Transport Victoria - Metropolitan Trains - Wikidata, in comparison Sydney Trains - Wikidata is well populated.

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Hey @user10, would we have to do a NSI PR here too?

yep, in Australia there are 49 standardised network tags for public transport, including the ones discussed here.

In general, if you’re planning to replace a widely used tag, taginfo has a “Projects” tab which shows you a list of data consumers that rely on this tag. In this case, only NSI.

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For the time being, all transport infrastructure which is in the Transport Victoria network, will be tagged with network=Transport Victoria and network:wikidata=Q7257648. Wikipedia tags will be removed.

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First changeset done: Bus stops that already have a network tag Changeset: 178843390 | OpenStreetMap

Most bus stops do not have a network tag, not quite sure what to do with them yet. Please comment here if you have any ideas

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