Proposal - Language and location based content and categories

馃寪 Espa帽ol

Esta propuesta es el resultado de consolidar comentarios muy diversos sobre idiomas, lugares y categor铆as.

Por favor, queremos leer tu opini贸n en los comentarios de abajo.

Reconocemos que OpenStreetMap es una comunidad muy diversa, multicultural y multiling眉e, que no puede traducirse f谩cilmente en una simple categorizaci贸n u organizaci贸n del foro.

Algunos de los retos que nos gustar铆a abordar:

  • Los grupos y editores locales quieren tener un espacio para hablar de cartograf铆a en su regi贸n.
  • La gente que habla el mismo idioma quiere crear y descubrir f谩cilmente conversaciones que puedan ser relevantes para ellos y colaborar.
  • Existe una barrera para que las personas que no hablan ingl茅s puedan acceder y participar en algunas conversaciones.
  • Algunas personas quieren apoyar el mapeo en pa铆ses en los que no viven o no hablan el idioma local.

Creemos que esta propuesta equilibra el deseo de la gente de tener un espacio en su idioma, la experimentaci贸n de usar la tecnolog铆a para acercar a la gente aunque no compartan un idioma y permitir una coordinaci贸n efectiva para el mapeo local.

Propuesta sobre c贸mo manejar los diferentes idiomas

Cada idioma soportado tendr谩 una categor铆a de primer nivel.

  • Al menos 3 colaboradores activos deben moderar el contenido.
  • Inicialmente cualquier contenido puede ser publicado en su categor铆a de idioma.
  • Las conversaciones espec铆ficas de cada pa铆s deben ir en la categor铆a del pa铆s, no aqu铆.
  • La comunidad utilizar谩 activamente etiquetas para separar los diferentes contenidos.
  • Si el volumen de una etiqueta es alto, se puede crear una subcategor铆a para ese tipo de contenido (a petici贸n de los moderadores)

Ejemplo:

El idioma (lagcode)

  • 鈥淭ema sobre rutas y ciclismo鈥 (tag:ciclismo)
  • 鈥溍歯ete a la pr贸xima convocatoria de la comunidad鈥 (tag:reuniones)
  • Ayuda y soporte (subcategor铆a)
    • 鈥淧roblema al intentar descargar datos de mapas鈥.
    • 鈥淣ecesito ayuda con OSMAnd鈥 (tag:osmand)

Propuesta para permitir una colaboraci贸n m谩s multiling眉e

Seguiremos trabajando en din谩micas y herramientas que puedan ayudar a acercar a personas que no hablan el mismo idioma. Un ejemplo es considerar un experimento/prueba con el plugin traductor de Discourse y observar c贸mo evoluciona la participaci贸n. A帽adiremos esto a la lista de cosas por hacer una vez que hayamos hecho la transici贸n completa de las comunidades m谩s grandes.

Propuesta sobre c贸mo manejar el mapeo local / edici贸n de discusiones

Cada pa铆s puede tener una subcategor铆a en #communities

  • Al menos 3 colaboradores locales activos deben moderar el contenido.
  • S贸lo se publicar谩 contenido relevante para la regi贸n del mapa.
  • Se anima a la comunidad a utilizar etiquetas para separar los diferentes contenidos.

Eventualmente una categor铆a de pa铆s puede ser movida para ser una categor铆a de nivel superior, eso permitir铆a:

  • Si el volumen de una etiqueta es alto, se puede crear una subcategor铆a para ese tipo de contenido (a petici贸n de los moderadores)
  • Se pueden solicitar subcategor铆as para idiomas de pa铆ses adicionales.
  • El pa铆s puede tener una subcategor铆a para la discusi贸n en ingl茅s para permitir que la comunidad global internacional tambi茅n apoye la edici贸n local en el pa铆s.

Ejemplo como subcategor铆a normal bajo #communities

El pa铆s (c贸digo de pa铆s)

  • 鈥淎yuda con la importaci贸n masiva de PDI en mi ciudad鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淢ejorar la calidad de los datos y formar a los validadores鈥 (tag:validators, quality)
  • 鈥淎poyo en la respuesta a la reciente crisis鈥 (tag:english, disaster-response)

Ejemplo como categor铆a de nivel superior:

El pa铆s (c贸digo de pa铆s)

  • 鈥淎yuda a la importaci贸n masiva de PDI en mi ciudad鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淢ejorar la calidad de los datos y formar a los validadores鈥 (tag:validators, quality)
  • Ingl茅s (subcategor铆a)
    • 鈥淎poyo a la respuesta a la reciente crisis鈥 (tag:disaster-response)

:left_speech_bubble: 驴Qu茅 opinas de esta propuesta? A帽ade un comentario a continuaci贸n.

  • 驴Qu茅 es lo que m谩s te gusta?
  • 驴Falta algo?
  • 驴Qu茅 har铆as diferente y por qu茅?

隆Gracias! :slight_smile:

馃寪 Fran莽ais

Cette proposition est le r茅sultat de la consolidation des commentaires tr猫s divers sur les langues, les lieux et les cat茅gories.

S鈥檌l vous pla卯t, nous voulons lire votre contribution dans les commentaires ci-dessous.

Nous reconnaissons qu鈥橭penStreetMap est une communaut茅 tr猫s diverse, multiculturelle et multilingue, qui ne peut pas facilement se traduire par une simple cat茅gorisation ou organisation de forum.

Quelques-uns des d茅fis que nous aimerions relever :

  • Les groupes locaux et les 茅diteurs veulent avoir un espace pour parler de la cartographie dans leur r茅gion.
  • Les personnes qui parlent la m锚me langue veulent cr茅er et d茅couvrir facilement des conversations qui pourraient 锚tre pertinentes pour eux et collaborer.
  • Il existe une barri猫re pour les personnes qui ne parlent pas anglais pour acc茅der et participer 脿 certaines conversations.
  • Certaines personnes veulent soutenir la cartographie dans des pays o霉 elles ne vivent pas ou dont elles ne parlent pas la langue locale.

Nous pensons que cette proposition permet d鈥櫭﹒uilibrer le d茅sir des gens d鈥檃voir un espace dans leur langue, d鈥檈xp茅rimenter l鈥檜tilisation de la technologie pour rapprocher les gens m锚me s鈥檌ls ne partagent pas la m锚me langue et de permettre une coordination efficace pour la cartographie locale.

Proposition sur la fa莽on de g茅rer les diff茅rentes langues

Chaque langue soutenue aura une cat茅gorie de premier niveau.

  • Au moins 3 contributeurs actifs devraient mod茅rer le contenu.
  • Initialement, tout contenu peut 锚tre post茅 dans la cat茅gorie de leur langue.
  • Les conversations sp茅cifiques 脿 un pays doivent aller dans la cat茅gorie du pays, pas ici.
  • La communaut茅 utilisera activement les tags pour s茅parer les diff茅rents contenus.
  • Si le volume d鈥檜n tag est 茅lev茅, une sous-cat茅gorie pour ce type de contenu peut 锚tre cr茅茅e (脿 la demande des mod茅rateurs).

Exemple :

La langue (lagcode)

  • 鈥淪ujet sur les itin茅raires et le v茅lo鈥 (tag:cycling)
  • 鈥淩ejoignez le prochain appel communautaire鈥 (tag:meetings)
  • Aide et support (sous-cat茅gorie)
    • 鈥淧robl猫me lors du t茅l茅chargement de donn茅es cartographiques鈥.
    • 鈥淛鈥檃i besoin d鈥檃ide avec OSMAnd鈥 (tag:osmand)

Proposition pour une collaboration plus multilingue

Nous continuerons 脿 travailler sur des dynamiques et des outils qui peuvent aider 脿 rapprocher des personnes qui ne parlent pas la m锚me langue. Un exemple est d鈥檈nvisager une exp茅rience/test avec le [plugin de traduction de discours] (Discourse Translator - plugin - Discourse Meta) et d鈥檕bserver comment la participation 茅volue. Nous ajouterons ceci 脿 la liste TODO une fois que nous aurons effectu茅 la transition compl猫te des plus grandes communaut茅s.

Proposition sur la fa莽on de g茅rer les discussions locales de cartographie / 茅dition

Chaque pays peut avoir une sous-cat茅gorie sous #communities.

  • Au moins 3 contributeurs locaux actifs devraient mod茅rer le contenu.
  • Seul le contenu pertinent pour la r茅gion de la carte sera post茅.
  • La communaut茅 est encourag茅e 脿 utiliser des balises pour s茅parer les diff茅rents contenus.

La cat茅gorie pays peut 茅ventuellement 锚tre d茅plac茅e pour devenir une cat茅gorie de premier niveau, ce qui permettrait :

  • Si le volume d鈥檜n tag est 茅lev茅, une sous-cat茅gorie pour ce type de contenu peut 锚tre cr茅茅e (脿 la demande des mod茅rateurs).
  • Des sous-cat茅gories pour les langues de pays suppl茅mentaires peuvent 锚tre demand茅es.
  • Le pays peut avoir une sous-cat茅gorie pour les discussions en anglais afin de permettre 脿 la communaut茅 internationale de soutenir 茅galement l鈥櫭ヾition locale dans le pays.

Exemple de sous-cat茅gorie normale sous #communities

Le pays (code pays)

  • 鈥淎ide 脿 l鈥檌mportation massive de POI dans ma ville鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淎m茅liorer la qualit茅 des donn茅es et former les validateurs鈥 (tag:validateurs, qualit茅)
  • 鈥淪outien 脿 la r茅ponse aux catastrophes lors de la r茅cente crise鈥 (tag:english, disaster-response)

Exemple de cat茅gorie de premier niveau :

Le pays (countrycode)

  • 鈥淎ide 脿 l鈥檌mportation massive de POI dans ma ville鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淎m茅liorer la qualit茅 des donn茅es et former les validateurs鈥 (tag:validateurs, qualit茅)
  • Anglais (sous-cat茅gorie)
    • 鈥淪outien 脿 la r茅ponse aux catastrophes lors de la crise r茅cente鈥 (tag:disaster-response)

:left_speech_bubble : Que pensez-vous de cette proposition ? Ajoutez un commentaire ci-dessous !

  • Qu鈥檈st-ce qui vous pla卯t le plus ?
  • Y a-t-il quelque chose qui manque ?
  • Que feriez-vous diff茅remment et pourquoi ?

Merci ! :slight_smile:

馃寪 Deutsch

Dieser Vorschlag ist das Ergebnis der Konsolidierung von sehr unterschiedlichem Feedback zu Sprachen, Orten und Kategorien.

Bitte, wir m枚chten Ihren Beitrag in den Kommentaren unten lesen!

Wir sind uns bewusst, dass OpenStreetMap eine sehr vielf盲ltige, multikulturelle und mehrsprachige Gemeinschaft ist, die sich nicht einfach in eine einfache Forumskategorisierung oder -organisation 眉bersetzen l盲sst.

Einige der Herausforderungen, die wir gerne angehen w眉rden:

  • Lokale Gruppen und Redakteure m枚chten einen Raum haben, um 眉ber die Kartierung in ihrer Region zu sprechen.
  • Menschen, die dieselbe Sprache sprechen, m枚chten auf einfache Weise Unterhaltungen erstellen und entdecken, die f眉r sie relevant sein k枚nnten, und zusammenarbeiten.
  • F眉r Menschen, die kein Englisch sprechen, ist der Zugang zu und die Teilnahme an einigen Unterhaltungen eine Barriere.
  • Einige Leute m枚chten die Kartierung in L盲ndern unterst眉tzen, in denen sie nicht leben oder die Landessprache nicht sprechen.

Wir denken, dass dieser Vorschlag ein Gleichgewicht zwischen dem Wunsch der Menschen, einen Raum in ihrer Sprache zu haben, dem Versuch, Technologie zu nutzen, um Menschen n盲her zu bringen, auch wenn sie keine gemeinsame Sprache haben, und der Erm枚glichung einer effektiven Koordination f眉r lokales Mapping schafft.

Vorschlag zum Umgang mit verschiedenen Sprachen

Jede unterst眉tzte Sprache wird eine eigene Kategorie haben.

  • Mindestens 3 aktive Mitwirkende sollten den Inhalt moderieren.
  • Zu Beginn kann jeder Inhalt in die Kategorie seiner Sprache eingestellt werden.
  • L盲nderspezifische Unterhaltungen sollten in der jeweiligen L盲nderkategorie stattfinden, nicht hier.
  • Die Gemeinschaft wird aktiv Tags verwenden, um verschiedene Inhalte zu trennen.
  • Wenn das Volumen eines Tags hoch ist, kann eine Unterkategorie f眉r diese Art von Inhalt erstellt werden (auf Wunsch der Moderatoren)

Beispiel:

Die Sprache (lagcode)

  • 鈥淭hema 眉ber Routen und Radfahren鈥 (Tag:Radfahren)
  • 鈥淣ehmen Sie am n盲chsten Community-Call teil鈥 (tag:meetings)
  • Hilfe und Unterst眉tzung (Unterkategorie)
    • 鈥淧roblem beim Herunterladen von Kartendaten鈥.
    • 鈥淚ch brauche Hilfe mit OSMAnd鈥 (tag:osmand)

Vorschlag zur Erm枚glichung einer mehrsprachigen Zusammenarbeit

Wir werden weiterhin an Dynamiken und Werkzeugen arbeiten, die dazu beitragen k枚nnen, Menschen, die nicht dieselbe Sprache sprechen, einander n盲her zu bringen. Ein Beispiel ist ein Experiment/Test mit [discourse translator plugin] (Discourse Translator - plugin - Discourse Meta) und die Beobachtung, wie sich die Teilnahme entwickelt. Wir werden dies auf die TODO-Liste setzen, sobald wir die gr枚脽ten Gemeinschaften vollst盲ndig umgestellt haben.

Vorschlag zur Handhabung lokaler Mapping-/Editing-Diskussionen

Jedes Land kann eine Unterkategorie unter #communities haben

  • Mindestens 3 aktive lokale Mitwirkende sollten den Inhalt moderieren.
  • Nur Inhalte, die f眉r die Region der Karte relevant sind, werden gepostet.
  • Die Gemeinschaft wird ermutigt, Tags zu verwenden, um verschiedene Inhalte zu trennen.

Eventuell kann eine L盲nderkategorie in eine 眉bergeordnete Kategorie umgewandelt werden, was dies erm枚glichen w眉rde:

  • Wenn das Volumen eines Tags hoch ist, kann eine Unterkategorie f眉r diese Art von Inhalt erstellt werden (auf Wunsch der Moderatoren)
  • Unterkategorien f眉r zus盲tzliche Landessprachen k枚nnen angefordert werden.
  • Das Land kann eine Unterkategorie f眉r englische Diskussionen haben, damit die internationale Gemeinschaft auch die lokale Bearbeitung im Land unterst眉tzen kann.

Beispiel als normale Unterkategorie unter #communities

Das Land (L盲ndercode)

  • 鈥淗ilfe beim Massenimport von POIs in meiner Stadt鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淰erbesserung der Datenqualit盲t und Schulung von Validatoren鈥 (tag:validators, quality)
  • 鈥淯nterst眉tzung bei der Katastrophenhilfe in der j眉ngsten Krise鈥 (tag:english, disaster-response)

Beispiel f眉r eine Kategorie der obersten Ebene:

Das Land (L盲ndercode)

  • 鈥淗ilfe beim Massenimport von POIs in meiner Stadt鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淰erbesserung der Datenqualit盲t und Schulung von Validatoren鈥 (tag:validators, quality)
  • Englisch (Unterkategorie)
    • 鈥淜atastrophenhilfe f眉r die j眉ngste Krise鈥 (tag:disaster-response)

:left_speech_bubble: Was halten Sie von diesem Vorschlag? F眉gen Sie unten einen Kommentar hinzu!

  • Was gef盲llt Ihnen am besten?
  • Gibt es etwas, das fehlt?
  • Was w眉rden Sie anders machen und warum?

Vielen Dank! :slight_smile:

馃寪 Portugu锚s

Esta proposta 茅 o resultado da consolida莽茫o feedback muito diversificado sobre idiomas, locais e categorias.

Por favor, queremos ler sua opini茫o nos coment谩rios abaixo!

Reconhecemos que o OpenStreetMap 茅 uma comunidade muito diversa, multicultural e multil铆ng眉e, que n茫o pode facilmente se traduzir em uma simples categoriza莽茫o ou organiza莽茫o de f贸rum.

Alguns dos desafios que gostar铆amos de enfrentar:

  • Grupos locais e editores querem ter um espa莽o para falar sobre mapeamento em sua regi茫o.
  • Pessoas que falam a mesma l铆ngua querem criar e descobrir facilmente conversas que possam ser relevantes para elas e colaborar.
  • H谩 uma barreira para que as pessoas que n茫o falam ingl锚s tenham acesso e participem de algumas conversas.
  • Algumas pessoas querem apoiar o mapeamento em pa铆ses nos quais n茫o vivem ou n茫o falam o idioma local.

Pensamos que esta proposta equilibra o desejo das pessoas de ter um espa莽o em sua l铆ngua, a experimenta莽茫o de usar a tecnologia para aproximar as pessoas mesmo que n茫o compartilhem uma l铆ngua e permitir uma coordena莽茫o eficaz para o mapeamento local.

Proposta sobre como lidar com diferentes idiomas

Cada idioma suportado ter谩 uma categoria de n铆vel superior.

  • Pelo menos 3 colaboradores ativos devem ser moderadores de conte煤do.
  • Inicialmente, qualquer conte煤do pode ser postado em sua categoria de idioma.
  • As conversas espec铆ficas de cada pa铆s devem ser inclu铆das na categoria de pa铆s, n茫o aqui.
  • A comunidade usar谩 ativamente as tags para separar os diferentes conte煤dos.
  • Se o volume de uma tag for alto, uma subcategoria para esse tipo de conte煤do pode ser criada (a pedido dos moderadores).

Exemplo:

O idioma (lagcode)

  • 鈥淭贸pico sobre rotas e ciclismo鈥 (tag:ciclismo)
  • 鈥淛unte-se 脿 pr贸xima chamada da comunidade鈥 (tag:meetings)
  • Ajuda e apoio (subcategoria)
    • 鈥淧roblema tentando baixar dados do mapa鈥.
    • 鈥淧reciso de ajuda com OSMAnd鈥 (tag:osmand)

Proposta para permitir uma colabora莽茫o mais multil铆ng眉e

Continuaremos trabalhando em din芒micas e ferramentas que possam ajudar a aproximar as pessoas que n茫o falam a mesma l铆ngua. Um exemplo 茅 considerar uma experi锚ncia/teste com plugin de tradutor de discurso e observar como a participa莽茫o evolui. Acrescentaremos isto 脿 lista TODO quando tivermos feito a transi莽茫o completa das maiores comunidades.

Proposta sobre como lidar com o mapeamento local / edi莽茫o de discuss玫es

Cada pa铆s pode ter uma subcategoria em #comunidades

  • Pelo menos 3 colaboradores locais ativos devem ser moderadores de conte煤do.
  • Somente conte煤do relevante para a regi茫o do mapa ser谩 postado.
  • A comunidade 茅 encorajada a usar tags para separar diferentes conte煤dos.

Eventualmente, uma categoria de pa铆s pode ser movida para ser uma categoria de n铆vel superior, o que permitiria:

  • Se o volume de uma tag for alto, uma subcategoria para esse tipo de conte煤do pode ser criada (a pedido dos moderadores).
  • Subcategorias para idiomas adicionais do pa铆s podem ser solicitadas.
  • O pa铆s pode ter uma subcategoria para discuss茫o em ingl锚s para permitir que a comunidade internacional global tamb茅m apoie a edi莽茫o local no pa铆s.

Exemplo como subcategoria normal em #communidades

O pa铆s (c贸digo de pa铆s)

  • 鈥淎juda na importa莽茫o em massa de POIs em minha cidade鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淢elhorar a qualidade dos dados e validadores de trem鈥 (tag:validadores, qualidade)
  • 鈥淒isaster response support to the recent crisis鈥 (tag:english, disaster-response)

Exemplo como categoria de n铆vel superior:

O pa铆s (c贸digo de pa铆s)

  • 鈥淎juda na importa莽茫o em massa de POIs em minha cidade鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淢elhorar a qualidade dos dados e validadores de trem鈥 (tag:validadores, qualidade)
  • Ingl锚s (subcategoria)
  • 鈥淎poio 脿 resposta a desastres da recente crise鈥 (tag:disaster-response)

esquerda_speech_bubble: O que voc锚 pensa sobre esta proposta? Adicione um coment谩rio abaixo!

  • Do que voc锚 mais gosta?
  • Est谩 faltando alguma coisa?
  • O que voc锚 faria de diferente e por qu锚?

Obrigado! :slight_smile:

馃寪 Italiano

Questa proposta 猫 il risultato del consolidamento di feedback molto diversi su lingue, luoghi e categorie.

Per favore, vogliamo leggere il vostro contributo nei commenti qui sotto!.

Riconosciamo che OpenStreetMap 猫 una comunit脿 molto diversa, multiculturale e multilingue, che non pu貌 facilmente tradursi in una semplice categorizzazione o organizzazione del forum.

Alcune delle sfide che vorremmo affrontare:

  • I gruppi locali e gli editori vogliono avere uno spazio per parlare di mappatura nella loro regione.
  • Le persone che parlano la stessa lingua vogliono creare e scoprire facilmente le conversazioni che potrebbero essere rilevanti per loro e collaborare.
  • C鈥櫭 una barriera per le persone che non parlano inglese per accedere e partecipare ad alcune conversazioni.
  • Alcune persone vogliono sostenere la mappatura in paesi in cui non vivono o di cui non parlano la lingua locale.

Pensiamo che questa proposta bilanci il desiderio delle persone di avere uno spazio nella loro lingua, la sperimentazione di usare la tecnologia per avvicinare le persone anche se non condividono una lingua e consentire un coordinamento efficace per la mappatura locale.

Proposta su come gestire lingue diverse

Ogni lingua supportata avr脿 una categoria di primo livello.

  • Almeno 3 collaboratori attivi dovrebbero moderare i contenuti.
  • Inizialmente ogni contenuto pu貌 essere postato nella categoria della propria lingua.
  • Le conversazioni specifiche del paese dovrebbero andare sotto la categoria del paese, non qui.
  • La comunit脿 user脿 attivamente i tag per separare i diversi contenuti.
  • Se il volume di un tag 猫 alto, pu貌 essere creata una sottocategoria per quel tipo di contenuto (come da richiesta dei moderatori)

Esempio:

La lingua (lagcode)

  • 鈥淭opic su percorsi e ciclismo鈥 (tag:cycling)
  • 鈥淧artecipa alla prossima chiamata della comunit脿鈥 (tag:incontri)
  • Aiuto e supporto (sottocategoria)
    • 鈥淧roblema nel cercare di scaricare i dati delle mappe鈥.
    • 鈥淗o bisogno di aiuto con OSMAnd鈥 (tag:osmand)

Proposta per consentire una collaborazione pi霉 multilingue

Continueremo a lavorare su dinamiche e strumenti che possano aiutare ad avvicinare persone che non parlano la stessa lingua. Un esempio 猫 considerare un esperimento/test con discourse translator plugin e osservare come si evolve la partecipazione. Aggiungeremo questo alla lista TODO una volta che avremo completato la transizione delle comunit脿 pi霉 grandi.

Proposta su come gestire le discussioni locali di mappatura/editing

Ogni paese pu貌 avere una sottocategoria sotto #communities

  • Almeno 3 collaboratori locali attivi dovrebbero moderare i contenuti.
  • Solo i contenuti rilevanti per la regione della mappa saranno postati.
  • La comunit脿 猫 incoraggiata ad usare i tag per separare i diversi contenuti.

Eventualmente una categoria paese pu貌 essere spostata per essere una categoria di primo livello, questo permetterebbe:

  • Se il volume di un tag 猫 alto, pu貌 essere creata una sottocategoria per quel tipo di contenuto (come da richiesta dei moderatori)
  • Possono essere richieste sottocategorie per ulteriori lingue di paesi.
  • Il paese pu貌 avere una sottocategoria per la discussione in inglese per permettere alla comunit脿 globale internazionale di supportare anche l鈥檈diting locale nel paese.

Esempio come sottocategoria normale sotto #communities

Il paese (countrycode)

  • 鈥淎iuto per l鈥檌mportazione di massa di POI nella mia citt脿鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淢igliorare la qualit脿 dei dati e formare i validatori鈥 (tag:validators, quality)
  • 鈥淪upporto alla risposta ai disastri per la recente crisi鈥 (tag:english, disaster-response)

Esempio come categoria di primo livello:

Il paese (countrycode)

  • 鈥淎iuto per l鈥檌mportazione di massa di POI nella mia citt脿鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淢igliorare la qualit脿 dei dati e formare i validatori鈥 (tag:validators, quality)
  • Inglese (sottocategoria)
    • 鈥淪upporto alla risposta alla recente crisi鈥 (tag:disaster-response)

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This proposal is the result of consolidating very diverse feedback on languages, locations and categories.

Please, we want to read your input in the comments below!

We acknowledge that OpenStreetMap is a very diverse, multicultural and multilingual community, which can鈥檛 easily translate into a simple forum categorization or organization.

Some of the challenges we would like to tackle:

  • Local groups and editors want to have a space to talk about mapping in their region.
  • People who speak the same language want to easily create and discover conversations that might be relevant for them and collaborate.
  • There is a barrier for people who don鈥檛 speak English to access and participate in some conversations.
  • Some people want to support mapping in countries they don鈥檛 live in or they don鈥檛 speak the local language.

We think this proposal balances the desire of people to have a space in their language, the experimentation to use tech to bring people closer even if they don鈥檛 share a language and enabling effective coordination for local mapping.

:speaking_head: Proposal on how to handle different languages

Each supported language can request (if desired by the community) a top level category.

  • At least 3 active contributors should be moderating content.
  • Initially any content can be posted into their language category.
  • Country-specific conversations should go under the country category, not here.
  • Community will actively use tags to separate different content.
  • If the volume of one tag is high, a subcategory for that type of content can be created (as per request of the moderators)

Example:

The language (lagcode)

  • 鈥淭opic about routes and cycling鈥 (tag:cycling)
  • 鈥淛oin the next community call鈥 (tag:meetings)
  • Help and support (subcategory)
    • 鈥淚ssue trying to download map data.鈥
    • 鈥淚 need help with OSMAnd鈥 (tag:osmand)

:handshake: Proposal on enabling a more multilingual collaboration

We鈥檒l keep working on dynamics and tools that can help bring closer people who don鈥檛 speak the same language. One example is considering an experiment/test with discourse translator plugin and observe how participation evolves. We鈥檒l add this to the TODO list once we have fully transitioned the biggest communities.

:globe_with_meridians: Proposal on how to handle local mapping / editing discussions

Each country can have a subcategory under #communities

  • At least 3 active local contributors should be moderating content.
  • Only content relevant to the region of the map will be posted.
  • The community is encouraged to use tags to separate different content.

Eventually a country category can be moved to be a top level category, that would allow:

  • If the volume of one tag is high, a subcategory for that type of content can be created (as per request of the moderators)
  • Subcategories for additional country languages can be requested.
  • The country can have one subcategory for English discussion to allow the international global community to also support local editing in the country.

Example as normal subcategory under #communities

The country (countrycode)

  • 鈥淗elp with mass import of POIs in my city鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淚mprove data quality and train validators鈥 (tag:validators, quality)
  • 鈥淒isaster response support to the recent crisis鈥 (tag:english, disaster-response)

Example as top level category:

The country (countrycode)

  • 鈥淗elp with mass import of POIs in my city鈥 (tag:dakar, poi)
  • 鈥淚mprove data quality and train validators鈥 (tag:validators, quality)
  • English (subcategory)
    • 鈥淒isaster response support to the recent crisis鈥 (tag:disaster-response)

:left_speech_bubble: What do you think about this proposal? Add a comment below!

  • What do you like the most?
  • Is there something missing?
  • What would you do different and why?

We鈥檒l keep this proposal open for input and feedback until March 29th.

After that date the @forums-governance team will take in consideration all the input and take a decision.

Thanks! :slight_smile:

Update: Decision taken

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I recommend consistently translating any and all instructional materials/videos in OSM in multiple languages for access across communities and maintaining an archive of sorts. As much as possible anyway.

Make it as visible as possible that this site does not favor any particular language, or is dominated by English speakers to the point of excluding other languages.

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Are there any ideas you have already in mind? It鈥檚 fine if they are big or small, they can help envision the direction we should be walking into. Thanks!

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I鈥檓 not sure how it would be implemented, but like to see the discussion be self organising. As it is now often Google is the best way to find information and history of a given topic. I would rather spend time mapping than monitoring discussions that are occasionally of interest to me, but at the same time I would like to dig into the activity of something that comes up as I contribute to OSM. Maybe the implementation of Discourse is intended for just that?

Country specific sub-fora to have at least two moderators that can as well ban and admit users (for closed group sub-fora)

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Hi @Martin_Borsje I鈥檓 moving your message to the relevant topic.

Can you expand a bit more about closed group spaces and how do they work right now?

Thanks!

@nukeador I鈥檓 not sure country-specific content should be separate from the language category. I think a tag for the country should be sufficient, at least in the beggining. I鈥檓 getting familiar with Discourse now, but I have experience as a moderator of OSM mailing lists and telegram groups and would be happy to help moderating content in Portuguese here.

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Thanks for the feedback. How would you handle shared spaces for languages that are spoken in many countries (Spanish, French, Portuguese, Dutch鈥 and even English)? Also countries where they have multi official-languages spoken.

In the previous conversation we got some feedback from people that felt isolated only participating in their country space when there was so much happening in his language elsewhere and he was missing.

I think @vgeorge mentioned country tags, and language categories.

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@nukeador to clarify what I meant, I agree with the proposal of having language categories. Country specific topics, like road classification, could be marked with country tags. For example, in Brazil, Portugal and many countries in Latin America I don鈥檛 see necessity of country forums, at least not initially. The OSM Forum already does that and most countries sub-forums don鈥檛 have a lot of traffic. Having a common shared spaces for languagues other than English would be great for exchanging knowledge.

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Should we expect people will be always vigilant to add country tags to every topic they create?

How would you do with countries that have more than one official language? (Spain, Belgium, India, most African countries鈥) Should topics be in separate categories?

What should we do when most populated or active community countries start dominating the topic list in a language category, which are irrelevant for other participants? How do we avoid having this 鈥渘oise鈥?

In my experience most topics on forums are related to a specific parts of the map, rather than a general query about OSM.

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This is reasonable looking at existing OSM forums, but I think it鈥檚 too early to say if Discourse will elicit similar questions and attract similar demographics to those forums. I mean, I never posted on any of the old forums, but I鈥檓 here now!

I think country tags should only be added where directly relevant. My guess would be that this forum may act less like previous, more geographic forums and thus not attract so many country-specific questions. In this case, the problem is naturally minimized. However, even if the majority of questions are specific to a location, I don鈥檛 think it鈥檚 an unreasonable ask for users to indicate that location via a tag.

I don鈥檛 see an issue here. If a Belgium-specific post is in French, it goes in the French category with the Belgium tag. If it鈥檚 in German, in the German category. In Dutch, in Dutch. If someone wants to find all the posts about Belgium, they can do a search for the Belgium tag, and get the posts from all languages.

Using tag filters within categories will, I think, solve this issue. Users can filter out topics form countries they鈥檙e not interested in.

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The issue is that you can鈥檛 be watching a category to get notifications and exclude some tags, you will get all topics, including the ones from countries that are not relevant to you.

We should think about how to make the experience easier for people, with your proposal people will have to constantly add country tags and also there is no way for someone to be subscribed to topics in their language without getting a ton of topics not relevant for them, so additional work trying to skip this content.

I鈥檒l reformulate the question: What are the issues/concerns you have with having country and language separated categories and why do you think they are issues?

I don鈥檛 think this is true. When you visit a tag page it is possible to silent that tag in the notification bell.

One specific problem are posts that apply to more than one country in the same language domain, but not all of them. With country tags it should be pretty easy to handle that.

In general, I鈥檓 concerned about the fragmentation of communities. I think starting right away with country categories we would be putting barriers between communities and trying to solve problems we don鈥檛 have yet. If that separation makes sense after we started the language category we can always create new country categories later and migrate content there.

I鈥檓 not sure if asking people to start muting tags is a nice experience compared with solving that for them in the first place.

OK, so what I understand here is that you propose that we only create country specific categories if there is enough volume on the language category one, right?

Based on the proposal in the top comment, I don鈥檛 understand where a topic about Germany in German should go: the German category or the Germany category? Both? Is that even possible?

As an additional note, I would also be perfectly happy with the inverse: country/community categories and language tags. That might be a more logical organization, and particularly one more in line with existing fora.

In NL we have a small sub-forum that is only for a small group of mappers that import buildings from Dutch authorities (BAG) by using a JOSM plugin, developed and distributed by Dutch BAG plugin developers.
The discussion and distribution of this plugin is quite advanced and the group is quite careful their members (and only write in Dutch language). We have no other way of communicating.

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Nice to see the option to move the forum to a modern platform.
But even more than the platform, I am interested in content.
I would like to see subsections not only by language, but also by country, as many countries have specific regulations to consider and challenges to face, which would overload a general forum.
Furthermore the migration of the very valuable content of the old German User forum is an important thing to me. Dumping or 鈥渁rchiving鈥 it to place no longer generating search results in this most recent replacement of the forum would lead to restart discussions solved and agreed years ago.

BR
tux67

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To the Germany one, since it a location-based conversation.