New tag for bicycle_parking - how to document?

eteb3 · 2018-12-14T10:44:07.000Z

If the values listed above don’t describe what you want to tag, feel free to make up your own values. But please document them here.

I would, but just want to check with people that this isn’t dangerously presumptious. Are there norms to follow before changing the wiki (and by implication, OSM practice generally?)

I want a tag for the planter bike rack that appeared in the UK relatively recently (pic here). Should I just go ahead and add ‘=planter’ to the wiki?

My hesitation is that it may be better to avoid a million tag variants: should I approximate with ‘=stands’ instead?

Mateusz_Konieczny · 2018-12-14T22:34:55.000Z

For me it is clearly bicycle_parking=stands. Planter tag may be added to tag that it is also present.

It seems that planters are not widely tagged so far, if it would be confirmed you may invent a new tag.

I would tag it as

amenity=bicycle_parking + bicycle_parking=stands + capacity=2 + covered=no + man_made=planter + wikimedia_commons=File:Image_that_I_uploaded_to_make_clear_what_is_tagged_here

I think it is better than adding bicycle_parking=planter, =planter_with_wall_loops, =bilboard, =bilboard_with_wall_loops etc for every new combination (especially as =planter is not making clear that it is stand combined with a planter rather than wheelbender combined with a planter)

SK53 · 2018-12-15T11:21:05.000Z

I concur with everything Mateusz says. use stands and add a man_made tag for the planter. If this a particular brand or make then it may be worthwhile adding that too.

eteb3 · 2018-12-15T11:38:13.000Z

Great, thank you both.

henke54 · 2018-12-16T19:31:40.000Z

SK53:

I concur with everything Mateusz says. use stands and add a man_made tag for the planter. If this a particular brand or make then it may be worthwhile adding that too.

‘Planter’ is ambiguous, as it can also mean the ‘manager or owner of a plantation’ or ‘a machine or person that plants’.

I would use ‘plant_container’ instead of ‘planter’ …

henke54 · 2018-12-16T19:42:50.000Z

eteb3:

The wiki on bike parking says

If the values listed above don’t describe what you want to tag, feel free to make up your own values. But please document them here.

I would, but just want to check with people that this isn’t dangerously presumptious. Are there norms to follow before changing the wiki (and by implication, OSM practice generally?)

I want a tag for the planter bike rack that appeared in the UK relatively recently (pic here). Should I just go ahead and add ‘=planter’ to the wiki?

My hesitation is that it may be better to avoid a million tag variants: should I approximate with ‘=stands’ instead?

If you, or somebody else could make a picture of such ‘plantlock’, and then upload it to Wikimedia Commons, then, that picture is ‘free’ (of licenses) to put it then on Key:bicycle_parking page, with comment(description) , so that it can be used …

SK53 · 2018-12-17T10:37:58.000Z

henke54:

SK53:

I concur with everything Mateusz says. use stands and add a man_made tag for the planter. If this a particular brand or make then it may be worthwhile adding that too.

‘Planter’ is ambiguous, as it can also mean the ‘manager or owner of a plantation’ or ‘a machine or person that plants’.

I would use ‘plant_container’ instead of ‘planter’ …

Not very ambiguous at all. Planter as a person is fairly outmoded in English now as it was principally used in colonial times. We don’t map people.

We don’t map movable machinery either.

Pretty much the common term which people use for these things in spoken English is planter. A plant container is not ambiguous either it might be anything from a flower pot to a standard industrial intermodal container (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container) containing machinery (“plant”) (which come to think of it I can think of several locations where such things exist, although I hasten to add I wouldn’t use such tags).

Probably more importantly planter already has more widespread usage on OSM (as both barrier=planter, man_made=planter & planter_box).

henke54 · 2018-12-17T12:40:55.000Z

SK53:

Probably more importantly planter already has more widespread usage on OSM (as both barrier=planter, man_made=planter & planter_box).

That ‘widespread usage’ in OSM does not make it ‘holy’ in my opinion … same ‘thing’ with ‘pavement’ … luckily one is free to choose which one wants to use , and i stick with ‘plant_container’ …

escada · 2018-12-18T07:34:43.000Z

The widespread use means that many mappers agree on a certain way of mapping objects.
Mapping it in a different way makes you an outlier, who are often not very popular.

henke54 · 2018-12-18T14:39:05.000Z

escada:

The widespread use means that many mappers agree on a certain way of mapping objects.

‘many’ mappers are like a ‘herd’, just ‘following’ what ‘some’ have decided … and sometimes those ‘some’ were wrong(in the past) in what should be the ‘correct’ tagging of something … it is like a ‘snowball-effect’ … therefore, i made a topic about ‘suggestions’ what a ‘thing’ should best be named/tagged … maybe such topic could have a ‘sticky’ here on ‘general chat’ or something ?

escada:

Mapping it in a different way makes you an outlier, who are often not very popular.

whatever … i am not a ‘go with the herd’ guy …

SK53 · 2018-12-18T15:22:38.000Z

Tag now documented: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dplanter

henke54 · 2018-12-19T07:58:11.000Z

SK53:

Tag now documented: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dplanter

whatever … i stick with logic and reality … a container with plant(s) in it, is a plant container … simple as that …

eteb3:

I want a tag for the planter bike rack that appeared in the UK relatively recently (pic here)

If in such case, since maybe the word ‘Plantlock’ has a license or something , i would use ;
amenity=bicycle_parking +
bicycle_parking=plant_stand

eteb3 · 2018-12-24T14:48:09.000Z

Phew - thanks for all replies - and Happy Christmas everyone!