New siblings of foot/cycle/bridle/way

[supsup]

Ok, added the template, thanks.

[Hungerburg (Asa Hundert)]

@Woazboat

Dedicated tags for:

• mountain bike trails

@Woazboat

Here’s your highway=path + bicycle=designated:

I cannot fault the mappers for using that combination. These paths are designated by signage and by design.

Yesterday I reached out to openstreetmap.de issue tracker MTB "Single-Trails" erscheinen als Radwege · Issue #61 · fossgis/openstreetmap.de · GitHub because their map shows these same as cycleways. From the response I gather, looking at three tags enough for conclusive classification.

Few weeks ago I also did reach out to graphhopper, osrm and valhalla, if they’d want to honour mtb:scale. GraphHopper now does, checked right now. The others no reply. Will have to wait a bit longer. UPDATE: OSRM does not route bicycles over mtb:scale tagged ways.

PS: I like that idea

@eisa01

Cross country skiing use the piste:type=nordic for ways. If they’re also accessible during summer they get an additional highway=path tag (or other value)

piste:type=mtb* – could be used on its own or in combination with path. @yvecai create openmtb.map

[ezekielf (Zeke Farwell)]

@Hungerburg

piste:type=mtb* – could be used on its own or in combination with path

Piste specifically means a trail with a prepared, snow surface so piste:type=mtb is probably not the right tag to denote any and all mountain bike trails. There are winter bike trails though and those are tagged piste:type=fatbike

[Hungerburg (Asa Hundert)]

I have no idea what angered @yvecai so much - these downhill MTB race tracks are very similar to downhill skiing pistes. At least in my area, with all the climate change, tourism agencies crave them! And they are created by the same businesses as the skiing pistes – they operate the lifts

@ezekielf

Piste specifically means a trail with a prepared

There is piste:type=skitour, I mapped some, both the “informal” ones as well as some “classic” a.k.a. prepared ones. Curiously a change to the wiki to add “classic” to the skitour piste type preparation attribute resulted in a comment, not the other way around.

[ezekielf (Zeke Farwell)]

@Hungerburg

@ezekielf

Piste specifically means a trail with a prepared

There is piste:type=skitour, I mapped some, both the “informal” ones as well as some “classic” a.k.a. prepared ones

Yes in OSM tagging, the key piste:type has diverge somewhat from the general meaning of the word “piste”. Though most of the piste:type values represent trails with a prepared (groomed) snow surface, some do not. piste:type=skitour and probably any piste:type=* combined with piste:grooming=backcountry would not be called a piste in normal speech. It would be called the opposite: off-piste. I’ve also not heard piste used to describe an ice skating path, and yet we have piste:type=ice_skate. This would be an ice surface rather than snow.

Despite including some things that wouldn’t normally be called a piste, the key piste:type does have a unifying scope: snow or ice covered ways that only exist as such for a portion of the year. A winter themed map can look at piste:type to represent the state of things in the winter rather than the rest of the year. This is useful because a ski piste may be a road or something else in the non-snowy times. Using a new piste:type value for features that are useable year-round, or worse that are only useable in the non-snowy seasons, would be out of step with the rest of the piste:type values and would break the thematic meaning of the key. It wouldn’t be the first time in OSM’s history, but let’s avoid intentionally adding to the Counterituitive keys and values page.

[Hungerburg (Asa Hundert)]

I see, piste is only for winter sports, never mind the piste in the Sahara.

[yvecai]

I am not angered, don’t worry . As @ezekielf pointed out, everything tagged under the piste: namespace is related to winter sports.