map historical limestone

General talk
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I mapped this historical limestone, using the key: historic=lime_kiln

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8778632713

I see, however, that it is not included on any map; maybe the key historic=lime_kiln is not ideal?
In addition to this key, I can perhaps add the key historic=ruins ?
Or maybe some other more suitable key? The limestone is no longer functional, but it is still a place
of tourist interest in this area.

Thank

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Maybe historic=stone?
Not everything is included on every map. See https://gk.historic.place, maybe this map shows historic stones.

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thanks Maro, it has not been included in the historical map.
It is not a stone, but it is an old limestone, which was active in 1700; now it is a place of interest.

https://www.trekking-etc.it/etc/trekking/en/treks/europe/it/tn/trento/soprasasso/giro-del-soprasasso/calcara/image_600.jpg

There are a lot of limestone like this, but I don’t understand how they are mapped to be displayed on the map.

Maybe the key historic=lime_kiln not insert any object in the map

There would be this key
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dkiln
but it is not exactly the same limestone and perhaps this is for those still active
:expressionless:

thanks

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after much research, I concluded that to map a limestone (and see it on the map …) it is not enough to use the historic = lime_kiln key, but also for example the key mane_made = kiln, having the foresight, in the case of the limestone if it is no longer functional, to add the key disused = yes
greetings to all

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You can add material=limestone?

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thanks Kovoschiz for the contribution: no I didn’t add that key, the limestone is historic, no longer functional, I’m not sure it was just for the lime; I don’t think however that key can affect it not being displayed on the map…

I thought I solved it, but it seems that even after adding man_made = kiln, the limestone still does not appear on the osm map.
Maybe I should delete the previous historic = lime_kiln key

At the present time the keys inserted are these, but on the map nothing at all
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8778632713

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Only the most popular tags are displayed on maps.

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but if so, what’s the point of keeping these tags alive if they don’t appear on the map? the limestone icon was not needed, the name next to a node would suffice. I thought it was easier to map a limestone, I will find a solution

ops: I just saw that the limestone is visible on the historical map
https://gk.historic.place/

but only in this map, which I believe few people will see…

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Hi CerretumWild,
Your on the same spot I started some years ago, youre not working for a map but for a database. The renderers are able to pick the objects they want to use.
Historic boundary stones are only visible in edit mode, so be it and I have edit a few of them as military boundary stones.
If I surveyed an object I search for the right keys, but dont mind if its visble on a map today, there will be another day :slight_smile:

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sure Hendrikklaas, but here we are not talking about an extender, but a place that could attract many visitors, only if it could be visible at least on the cycle or outdoors maps. But then this limestone could appear on other maps even after many days? The few things I have mapped so far have appeared after 1-2 days at most …
thank you

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tourism=attraction perhaps?

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I could also try this other key, but I already have 5: will it be correct to leave all these keys?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8778632713#map=18/45.84922/10.00823

certainly I would like the object to be visible at least also on the cycle and standard map …

:roll_eyes:

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You didn’t have to remove historic=lime_kiln, this was correct and can be together with tourism=attraction.

We don’t have a fixed set of tags which are used to generate maps. There are thousands of tags, some of them are very popular, e.g. highway=motorway which are showed on most of the maps, some of them are used 5 times. And anyone can create a new tag: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Any_tags_you_like
Every author of a map decides what they want to show on the map. On a Cycle Map there will be objects important to cyclists etc.
I think you will agree that “historical limestone” is not as popular and important as building or a road. But if you start mapping them,
and there are already a lot of them, maybe someone will create an icon for such an object and it will display on some map one day.

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thanks Maro
actually I’m fumbling in the dark … I’m trying to figure out which keys would be more suitable; with the key historic I saw that the limestone appears only on the historical map; leaving historic and adding tourism = attraction always only on the historical map. If I remove historic it appears at least on the standard map.
I understand your speech about the fact that a limestone is not so widespread, but my country is small and this is one of the few attractions for a tourist and I would like it to be mapped at least on standard, cycle and maybe outdoor.
With only tourism = attraction it appears only on the standard, but now I don’t know what else to try.
Ps: at the end of the tests I will delete the object or insert it again with the appropriate keys.
Thanks for collaboration

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It’s not enitrely clear what you mean by “a historical limestone” - I suspect something might have got lost in translation.

“limestone”, the rock type, is everywhere and sometimes very large - for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limestone#/media/File:White_Cliffs_of_Dover_2_(Piotr_Kuczynski).jpg . What exactly is your node? Is it somewhere where people dug limestone out of the ground, somewhere where people converted it to quicklime (a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_kiln ) or something else?

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it was a place in the woods, where lime was created in 1700; now it is only a ruin for tourism, there is also a bulletin board with all the information on how it worked in the past centuries.
I don’t have a photo, but it looks like this:

https://www.nps.gov/places/lime-kiln.htm

actually it was better to call lime kiln…

thanks SomeoneElse

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Calculating that I had added / deleted various unsuitable keys, I preferred to delete the object; I will wait for the rendering so that it disappears from the maps, then I will insert the lime kiln again with the necessary keys.
I have no experience, I hope the procedure is regular …

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/106101576

I hope it will be removed from all maps as soon as possible …

thanks

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You can map that too. tourism=information, information=board. Example.

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oh yes, I could map the board. I think I will not put the name however (same as lime kiln, it would be a duplicate in a short distance)
thanks