In meiner Lieblingsregion in Norwegen ist die Begeisterung für Knotenpunknetzwerke so groß, dass außer Wander- und Radwegen auch Skiloipen so ausgeschildert werden. Dafür brauchen wir außer rwn_ref und rcn_ref auch rsn_ref bzw. lsn_ref. Ich habe das mal auf zwei Talk-Seiten vorgeschlagen, aber ohne Reaktion: Talk:Node Networks - OpenStreetMap Wiki , https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Pistes#Network_and_node_points. Ist das hier das richtige Forum?
Alle Netze der Gegend sind nur auf Gemeindeebene definiert (die Nachbargemeinden verwenden andere Systeme); daher “l=local”, aber wenn es denn in Stein gemeißelt ist, kann ich auch alles auf “r” umschreiben. Es wäre nur schön, wenn das ins Wiki übernommen werden könnte und vor allem auch gerendert würde.
Yes, this is the right place to discuss tagging. I don’t know much about node networks though, so can’t help much there about their specifics; sorry about that.
But I can tell you you can use tools like overpass-ultra to render any map you like, e.g. example for lsn_ref (click “Run” to get the map rendered, or change the code on the side to display others) showing that “G53 Heimvegen” and nearby nodes.
They will let you know what are their requirements for having some tagging rendered on their map (usually it at least needs to be well documented, not contested, and have enough usage to justify the implementation effort; but it depends on map. Some are easy, and some are nigh impossible to get new things in [e.g. Carto])
Thanks for the overpass-ultra example; I did no know that tool. Interesting.
I would like to add rsn_ref/lsn_ref officially to the tags for cross country skiing node networks. I have identified some other regions using such a system, e.g. [ Trails – Meissner Nordic ] Meissner in Oregon/USA. In OSM they still use the old, deprecated idea setting a guidepost on (!) the junction with a “ref” showing the node number. Those regions using node point networks for skiing are using the same system for snow shoes, but the trails are disjunct. If we are restricted to the alphabet, we could use a “t” for winter trekking, i.e. rtn_ref and ltn_ref.
As I noted, I know very little about node networks (and even less about their tagging practices in OSM), but when you say “deprecated”, can you link to document explaining what you mean exactly? I’ve tried (only quickly!) scanning information=guidepost, Proposal:Node_Networks and Deprecated_features wiki, but did not find that ref on information=guidepost is deprecated? Or did I misunderstood?
You’re welcome to use any tags you like in OSM! However, if you would prefer better tagging schema and higher chances of data consumers actually supporting those new tags, I would recommend following Proposal process.
It is admittedly somewhat more work (but not that much - as you also need to document ATYL tags on the wiki too), but it usually produces much better results as more people get involved and thus more potential issues are spotted before the tag goes into “production”.