Is amenity=waste_basket;recycling good for tagging combined garbage/recycling bins?

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I’m sure that there are valid cases where one feature would need multiple amenity values.

there is also the possibility that for such features a new tag should be invented.

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TLDR amenity_1 is suggested because it used to be quite widely-used, not because of any adopted convention.

I have always considered these write only tags, are you aware of any data consumer who makes use of them?

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Based on a quick search of publicly-available code repositories, it doesn’t look like anyone’s parsing the amenity_1 tag. Even though there’s any way to know for certain, you seem to be right in describing it as a “write-only tag”.

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Pretty well 24 hours since I tried them & neither is rendering, so I’m guessing the amenity_1 is stopping it from doing so?

Have tried with plain bins to see what happens with them, so we’ll know for sure!

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It is rendering fine as a recycling container for me. Have you cleared your browser cache? (Ctrl+Shift+R)

Screenshot of osm-carto, showing a recycling icon highlighted in orange amongst other map features

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Any number of times, but I’ve always just done ctrl+R? When I’ve just tried ctrl+shift+R, it’s updated! Guess I’ve been doing it wrong for quite a while! :crazy_face:

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Re-wording @dieterdreist (no offense meant, I hope none taken):

“iD: a newer tool that breaks some rules.” This rhymes (rather nicely) in English.

(Well, at least one rule, the “one element” rule)

I mean, it’s true. Even knowing that plenty of us don’t like this. Oh, well: things are as things are.

At least OSM is a largely polite anarchy, anyway. It’s a street-cred and respect-earned place. Lots of people stand rather tall from building OSM what it is. I’d like to say we bend rules before we break them.

Getting way, way off-topic.

Anyway, glad to see @Fizzie41 and @TwistedSnake pushing buttons and getting results. G’day.

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Glad to hear it worked! I used to be in the exact same situation as you – only reloading with Ctrl+R and being frustrated by the sporadic updates – before I realised that shift was all I needed. The differences between browsers don’t help: in Chrome, you can usually get away with just Ctrl+R, but Firefox needs Shift+Ctrl+R or Shift+F5.

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I’d recommend Ctrl+F5 though for a forced cache refresh of the viewed area, on Windows ;o)

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Thanks, but using a laptop, so trying to F5 may update things, but it also turns the keyboard lighting on & off! :rofl:

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At least one range of Dell laptops has/had that feature - by default you had to also press “fn” to get the relevant function key, unless you turned this “feature” off in the bios…

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edit: sloooow typing

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Another option, for both Chromium-based browsers and Firefox, is the Shift + Reload button. This does a hard refresh and clears the cache on both. Or, as yet another option, the developer tools, where caching can be disabled altogether.

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Hi, going back to the initial question and looking at the wiki page for amenity recycling (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Drecycling), I think that a valid option woul be to use
amenity=recycling + recycling_type=container (or maybe bin, depending on how big the container is) and specifying the type of waste using e.g. recycling:paper=yes + recycling:plastic=yes … and adding recycling:waste=yes.
The tag recycling:waste=yes might be not semantically perfect, given that the waste won’t be really recycled, but it is used around 25000 times (recycling:waste | Keys | OpenStreetMap Taginfo).
It is not a perfect solution for having your waste bin rendered, but another option conforming quite well with OSM standard tagging practice.

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