Including the UK 'Quiet Lanes' in OpenStreetMap

Discostu36 · 2022-11-29T18:32:09.277Z

I think you should document this at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:designation

SomeoneElse · 2022-11-29T21:21:15.306Z

Done

clbower · 2022-11-30T10:48:54.311Z

Thanks Andy,

It doesn’t seem too difficult to add the designation=quiet_lane tag, I’ve had a go on ‘Mere Lane’ to test the process. I checked the “ask another user to review edit” just to make sure I’ve done everything correctly, so I guess the edit will not be ‘live’ until someone has reviewed it?

At least it didn’t show up in your Turbo Search routine yet.

Many thanks for your help with this. Assuming I’m doing everything correctly I will continue updating the tags for roads in Suffolk as time permits.

I will also speak to the data owner of quietlanessuffolk.co.uk in a couple of weeks to confirm about adding to OSM.

The Google mymap they’ve created doesn’t have great resolution in some areas so I’ll need to confirm some of the locations anyway.

Thanks again

Chris

clbower · 2022-11-30T10:56:08.814Z

Quick update - it seems my first update is now visible .

One question that arises though - how to handle a section of road already has a designation e.g. some parts of lanes already have designation= unclassified_highway so I’m not sure I should change that to quiet_lane ?

BR

Chris

SomeoneElse · 2022-11-30T11:21:34.996Z

clbower:

I’ve had a go on ‘Mere Lane’ to test the process

Yes - that looks OK: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/90526277

clbower:

I checked the “ask another user to review edit” just to make sure I’ve done everything correctly, so I guess the edit will not be ‘live’ until someone has reviewed it?

Edits in OSM go live immediately. The “ask another user to review” tick shows up in some other tools, like https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMCha.

SomeoneElse · 2022-11-30T11:25:28.537Z

clbower:

some parts of lanes already have designation= unclassified_highway

I’d use semicolons to add “quiet_lane” after “unclassified_highway”, like with these: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/designation=unclassified_highway%3Brestricted_byway.

clbower · 2022-12-01T09:01:23.523Z

Thanks Andy,

I tried that for the cases where there was already something in the designation tag, and OSM seems to accept it OK, but the Overpass Search does not find these parts - maybe the search terms need to be broadened to include a wildcard character in case there is more than one tag included in designation=

?

I’m slowly working through adding these Suffolk Quiet lanes and it seems to be working OK.

Thinking about this more broadly - is there a way to make the Quiet Lanes more visible in Open Cycle Map?

This would be really cool - then anyone would be able to see them without having to run an Overpass Search to highlight them.

I guess Open cycle Map uses the same data source i.e. Open Street Map data?

Thanks for all your support!

Chris

Discostu36 · 2022-12-01T10:19:10.334Z

clbower:

I tried that for the cases where there was already something in the designation tag, and OSM seems to accept it OK, but the Overpass Search does not find these parts - maybe the search terms need to be broadened to include a wildcard character in case there is more than one tag included in designation=

?

This query finds all ways with “designation” value that contains “quiet_lane”:

[out:json][timeout:25];
(
  way["designation"~"quiet_lane"]({{bbox}});
);
// print results
out body;
>;
out skel qt;

If this is not really a designation or if it is very common for this designation to be an additional designation to already present designation, maybe you could think about changing the tagging scheme to something like quiet_lane=yes.

SomeoneElse · 2022-12-01T10:54:44.657Z

Discostu36:

If this is not really a designation or if it is very common for this designation to be an additional designation to already present designation, maybe you could think about changing the tagging scheme to something like quiet_lane=yes.

It is really a designation, in that it complements the existing usage of designation in the UK.

There are already semicolon-separated lists of designations in England and Wales containing designations of roads from the “list of streets”, and and a separate legal right of way, for example “designation=unclassified_highway;public_footpath”. In theory there shouldn’t be overlap between the two lists, but in practice there will always be edge cases. Consumers already need to be aware of this, like e.g. here.

Quiet lanes are similar - most are on obvious unclassified or residential roads with no need for “designation=unclassified_highway”, and no right of way designation either. There will still be edge cases, and just like with the existing data, consumers will need to deal with them.

SomeoneElse · 2022-12-05T20:35:42.019Z

I’ve changed the rendering** of “quiet lanes” at map.atownsend.org.uk to show quiet lanes (and living streets in a slightly different colour. You can see your example here.

** The rendering of “semicolon separated” ones hasn’t gone live yet, but there is only one currently, and the other tags on that means that it shows on that map as a solid brown line, not a regular white unclassified road.

clbower · 2022-12-06T12:18:15.798Z

Thanks Michael - that works, it now finds all the designations with semi colon lists too!

clbower · 2022-12-06T12:27:11.083Z

Thanks Andy - this is helpful - are the quiet lanes in a very light grey compared to the white roads?

the highlight seems to be quite subtle. I can see the solid brown line on the colon listed section near Cavenham Heath more clearly.

Is there some way we can make them more visible on Open Cycle Map?

Something similar to the way to the thin blue / dashed blue line for “Cycle and footpaths” that are appearing on new-build estates are shown would be handy…

Many thanks

Chris

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SomeoneElse · 2022-12-06T18:48:51.137Z

clbower:

are the quiet lanes in a very light grey compared to the white roads?

Yes

clbower:

Is there some way we can make them more visible on Open Cycle Map?

You’d have to contact the maintainer of Open Cycle Map about that. There’s a link at the bottom of that map to https://www.thunderforest.com/ , and there is contact information there.

clbower · 2023-02-14T15:59:15.380Z

Hi Andy,

Just to let you know that all of the Suffolk Quiet Lanes are now tagged with designation=“quiet_lane”.

Michael’s overpass search now highlights them all nicely.

Many thanks for your help with this.

I’m continuing to see if I can make them visible in route planning applications like Komoot, Open Cycle Map and others. Here Maps have included them in their basemnap so that SatNav’s will be aware of them, and this is potentially extremely useful for autonomous vehicle navigation.

BR

Chris

clbower · 2023-02-14T15:59:52.329Z

See all of them here:

overpass-turbo.eu

overpass turbo

A web based data mining tool for OpenStreetMap which runs any kind of Overpass API query and shows the results on an interactive map.

Chris

Casey_boy · 2023-02-15T10:44:34.181Z

I’ve created a Wiki page to document this usage. Hopefully my understanding of a quiet lane is correct. Please feel free to improve!

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:designation%3Dquiet_lane

Richard · 2023-02-15T10:49:57.017Z

cycle.travel will now give them a small uplift for routing, though I don’t have any plans to render them differently.

Casey_boy · 2023-02-15T10:56:20.791Z

This is actually something I was going to raise on the Wiki talk page. It might be useful for routers to give small bonuses for routing of pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders (as you have indicated Richard) whilst also applying a small penalty to motor vehicles.

SomeoneElse · 2023-02-15T13:06:31.419Z

Thanks for that - the only nit I’d pick would be that most quiet lanes in England are unclassified or even track in OSM terms.

There are exceptions - here is a tertiary one in Derbyshire, see rendering here.

Casey_boy · 2023-02-15T13:31:02.607Z

Thanks - updated.