Improving the wiki definition of surface=clay

@rhhs “cohesive dust” fixed to “fine dust”. Will add clay to the Key:surface unpaved section as a separate edit, and a firmness reference once that proposal progresses.

@9_tab By that logic surface=grass should differ between a soccer pitch and a meadow path :slightly_smiling_face: The “Note on terminology” handles this: feature type (leisure=pitch vs highway=*) already provides the context.

@ftrebien surface=ground dropped from both the fallback and the “when uncertain” sentence, surface=dirt only. The other values you mentioned (grass, sand, gravel, mud) aren’t realistic confusion cases with clay, if you can’t tell whether it’s clay, it’s dirt. On the opening paragraph: used “difficult or impassable” rather than “impassable” since passability varies by conditions and vehicle.

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I appreciate the effort to address my concerns, but I still don’t think this is a great idea.

Let’s make sure we’re definitely on the same page about what we’re talking about.

Here’s what I think you mean:

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s102mCFO9qw
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/108IvsYiNVA

Here’s what I mean:

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f_MHyUUejs8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LH3rocRd1w&t=38s
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3TRvsaWogxM

There’s also artificial clay which is a plastic carpet filled with sand, on top of an asphalt surface (video). There are a lot of them, but surface=artificial_clay has only been used 17 times, so it is likely these have generally been tagged surface=clay too.

I hope we can agree that exposed clay soil (which you want to tag) and “clay” tennis courts look completely different and behave completely differently underfoot. The surface I am talking about is not a subtype of ground or dirt. It’s closer to compacted.

In principle I agree with you that if people consistently used surface=clay in one meaning on sports courts and in the other meaning on highways, then there isn’t a high risk of conflict, because then a data consumer can determine from the context (tennis court or road?) which meaning the mapper had in mind. But shouldn’t we still try to avoid actively creating situations where the meaning of a tag changes depending on which other tags are present?

And also I am not so sure that it’s so clear cut. We need to look at how people have actually used surface=clay on highways. Here’s the distribution:

Only about 600 tracks, and very few “real” roads. But also 600 footways and 300 paths. Let’s look at footways. I didn’t have to look at many to find examples where people have used surface=clay to mean a tennis-court like surface.

Where people have used surface=clay on footways, they have at least sometimes done this because of its similarity with the tennis court surface. Examples are here and here. These are real examples where people have used surface=clay. They don’t show exposed soil. They show well compacted walkways covered by a thin layer of dust/sand. Personally I would have probably used a different tag but that’s what the mapper used. They were probably familiar with “clay” tennis courts and recognised this as a similar surface.

In short I don’t agree with your claim that you are just documenting actual usage. I think we have a tag that most of the time (> 90%) means something quite specific, and in a few, relatively rare cases has been used to mean something quite different. Your proposed page is mostly about that rare other usage, which you are trying to promote.

It’s a bit of an unfortunate situation because it shows geographic bias in where OSM started originally..

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Proposals are optional, you can use any tag you like..

You could just start using surface=clay_soil or similar. Another idea might be surface=dirt dirt=clay, this would mean that data consumers will have a fallback if they haven’t implemented the new tag specifically. From a routing perspective, that’s maybe even better than using surface=clay as I don’t think that many routers support =clay. (From a quick search on Github, out of the three on osm.org, only Valhalla does.)

I wouldn’t be able to tell that this is clay without interacting with it. It looks like asphalt or concrete, but the fact that the player is sliding on it strongly suggests it is clay indeed.

Clearly not clay, surface=artificial_clay makes more sense. I guess this would not be used to make roads, but in any case, the narrator says it is “quite slippery compared to real clay”, indicating a likely important practical difference between the two surface types.

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The usage split you found is real, and I don’t dispute the numbers. But I think the interpretation deserves caution.

Documentation gap

The ~2,000 highway uses exist under documentation that says almost nothing about roads. The current wiki page consists of two short paragraphs focused on tennis courts.

That’s not strong evidence that highway use is marginal, it suggests that mappers in clay-soil regions have been using the tag without guidance or presets. I personally know of many ways I haven’t tagged yet because I was waiting for clearer documentation. The numbers likely reflect documentation neglect more than mapper consensus.

The breakdown also matters. Ohsome data shows highway=residential and highway=unclassified, not just track. These are community roads in developing countries, tagged by local mappers describing their actual streets, not by people thinking of tennis courts.


This may be a semantic disagreement

“Clay” is first and foremost a geological material. In practice, soils are mixtures, and what we call “clay soil” is soil where clay is the dominant component controlling behaviour.

A road whose surface layer consists of clay-rich soil, whether lateritic clay in West Africa or red clay in Southeast Asia, is materially a clay surface in the ordinary sense of the word.

By contrast, a “clay court” in tennis is a constructed sports surface, usually made from crushed brick. That usage is established, but it is a sporting convention.

OSM surface tags describe the dominant material present (gravel, sand, grass), not chemical purity. Applying the same principle, a road dominated by clay-rich soil fits naturally under surface=clay.

So the key question is not which community uses the tag more often, but whether describing a clay-soil road as surface=clay is materially accurate. In those cases, it is.


Those examples are genuinely ambiguous. Many would likely be better described as surface=compacted, and the wiki can state that explicitly.

But ambiguous footways don’t invalidate the clearer cases, clay-rich roads whose defining behaviour, hard when dry, plastic and sticky when wet, prone to rutting, is precisely what surface=* is meant to capture.

Other material tags already span feature types:

  • surface=(fine_)gravel on pétanque courts and roads
  • surface=grass on soccer pitches and rural tracks
  • surface=sand on beach sports and sandy roads

OSM generally tags the material and lets context disambiguate.


surface=dirt + dirt=clay could be a refinement, but it shouldn’t be required for someone who can clearly identify clay-rich soil in the field. surface=clay already exists, is referenced from surface=ground, and has established highway use. Introducing clay_soil would fragment usage rather than clarify it.

The draft acknowledges both contexts and recommends surface=dirt when identification is uncertain. It does not promote ambiguous tagging, it clarifies when clay is appropriate.


If there are specific wording changes that would improve clarity, I’m happy to incorporate them. Otherwise, I plan to proceed with the wiki update.

To keep things balanced, I’m also willing to improve the general surface=* documentation to explicitly reflect that certain material values, like grass, (fine_)gravel, and sand, apply across both sports and transport features.

The goal is clearer documentation and consistency, not promotion of a niche reinterpretation.

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To be precise, “gravel”, “sand” and “clay” can be about the same chemical “material”, like “pebble” and “silt”, just in different grain sizes. They are not detailing the chemical composition (they are all some kind or mixture of “minerals”). “dirt” is a very unspecific word compared to the aforementioned, and does not fit into the same classification.

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Compared to the multiple uses of Key:emergency - OpenStreetMap Wiki I think the different meanings of surface=clay is manageable. Maybe a sentence can be added that “If the surface of a highway looks like that of a clay tennis court, use surface=compacted.” But only in the English wiki: looking at the versions in the languages I know of Clay court - Wikipedia , only English uses the word “clay” to describe that surface (German: sand; Dutch, Danish, Norwegian: gravel; French, Italian: beaten soil; Bulgarian: red).

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There is another thread about the problems that tag (including landuse, etc). I agree it’s similar.

If the concern is that surface=* is being used across very different feature types, then the structural solution would have been to reserve surface=* strictly for transport features and introduce something like material=* for everything else.

What seems less consistent is effectively duplicating material values inside surface=* based on context, or treating the same value as valid in one domain but problematic in another.

If surface=* is intended to describe the physical material present, then that principle should apply uniformly, whether the feature is a road, a pitch, or something else. Otherwise we end up with parallel semantics for the same key, depending on feature type, which makes the tagging model harder to reason about.

Corollary: the surface of a clay court (tennis) is surface=compacted

Following the discussion, I have updated the wiki page for surface=clay to clarify that it is used in two contexts:

  • manufactured clay sports surfaces (e.g. tennis courts)
  • natural clay-rich soil on roads and paths

If usage of surface=clay on roads grows significantly over time, we could always revisit the idea of splitting the tag into more specific values through a formal proposal. For now, documenting both existing uses seemed like the most practical step.

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I removed the description of the colour, because I think it’s not a very decisive indicator (it can be almost any soil colour), and added an image of the drying pattern.

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@Map_Hero Laterite is geologically distinct from pure clay, agreed, but it commonly contains significant clay minerals (particularly kaolinite) as a product of laterization. Many lateritic road surfaces, especially fine-grained forms, exhibit clay-like behaviour: firm and dusty when dry, sticky and difficult when wet, characteristic polygonal cracking after saturation. Harder forms like ferricrete behave differently, but those are visually distinct and a mapper would more likely reach for surface=gravel or surface=rock anyway.

The deeper issue is global verifiability. Laterite is just one of many regional fine-grained cohesive soils: murram in East Africa, black cotton soil in South Asia, terra roxa in Brazil. These vary in composition and behaviour, but no mapper on the ground can be expected to identify them geologically. What they can observe is whether the surface is fine-grained and cohesive, cracks when dry, and becomes sticky when wet — the behavioural indicators that surface=clay now documents explicitly, including the note that clay-rich soils such as laterite dominate unpaved roads across tropical and subtropical regions. That observable test is more consistent and globally applicable than soil taxonomy.

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Your question was

does the definition require deliberately sourced and blended aggregate, or just material with the right particle gradation that was mechanically compacted?

which depends on the composition of the laterite found in a certain location. If it is ferricrete (which I know as rocky laterite) it has to be crushed to be able to form a compacted road but will result in a surface comparable to other rocky material.

If it es an even mix of coarse and fine stuff it surely can be compacted well after levelling with a grader or dozer.

If it is fine grained laterite it reacts in the same way as clay or loam and therefore does not really result in a surface qualifying for “compacted” because the coarse components are missing. Anyhow I would not call such a surface clay and local people wouldn’t either.

I have not used surface=clay myself so far cause I have never seen a clay track in the area where I am mapping, so I have not studied that wiki page yet. I wonder why we use clay as term for a material which is called laterite in most parts of the world and which is described as a different material wherever you search for information. But if that is consensus, it’s fine with me. I think most mappers will use surface=dirt/ground anyhow due to lack of specific knowledge.

“Laterite” is a geological term, not what people in the field say. From personal experience in Southeast Asia, and talking with adventure riders and 4WD overlanders across the region, the word used is simply clay.

OSM tagging needs to work for mappers on the ground, not soil scientists. “Clay” is immediately understood. “Laterite” is not.

Thailand and Asia are not the world. I have been living in different African countries for more than 30 years and have never heard local people calling laterite “clay”. There are many different local names for laterite but the overall term which is understood all over the continent is laterite.

which does not mean we should deliberately use wrong terms cause some mappers don’t know better.

Fair point on regional scope, my direct experience is Southeast Asia, where I’ve lived for 20 years including 6 mapping outdoor activities. But local languages in the region use terms that translate naturally to “clay”, not “laterite”, and expats, overlanders and adventure riders use “clay” universally.

Your 30 years in Africa is valuable, but notably “laterite” isn’t universal there either, East Africa commonly uses “murram” instead.

The broader point stands: no single regional soil name works globally. surface=clay describes observable material behaviour, fine-grained, cohesive, sticky when wet, that any mapper can verify without geological knowledge, regardless of local terminology.

If surface=laterite has enough support in the African mapping community, a formal proposal is the right path and I’d be happy to review it.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​.

Sure, I did not claim that.

surface=laterite does that as well.

I am not mapping in Africa so I don’t really care, but you will not convince me that it is a good idea to use a wrong term deliberately when the correct one is known as well. When I map a track with a chipseal surface I tag it surface=chipseal and not surface=asphalt because many mappers may not have heard about chipseal before and surface=asphalt describes the observable material behaviour quite well.

Accordingly I would use surface=laterite if I’d be mapping a laterite track although many mappers may not have heard about laterite before and surface=clay describes the observable material behaviour quite well.

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The chipseal analogy is fair. What actually convinced me though is the scale: laterites cover roughly one third of Earth’s continental land area according to Tardy (1997), making it arguably the most common unpaved road surface material in the world with no dedicated tag. That alone justifies a proper proposal. Will draft one once the surface=compacted thread settles, murram would redirect as a regional synonym, and the field identification criteria would make it accessible without geological expertise.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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You are right. Despite the option to go for an ATYL tag in this case a proposal would be definitely justified.

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