Imports / Mass deletions in Belgium

ivanbranco · 2022-12-17T09:50:36.183Z

Hi Belgium community,

I noticed this church (way/108516065 - Osmcha):

tag key

addr:city Binche

addr:postcode 7130

addr:street Rue des Récollets

building ruins

heritage 4

heritage:operator clt

heritage:ref 56011-CLT-0015-01

heritage:website http://lampspw.wallonie.be/dgo4/site_thema/index.php/dossier/view/BC_PAT/56011-CLT-0015-01

image File:Sainte-Elisabeth church in Binche, Belgium (DSCF7800).jpg — Wikimedia Commons

note Binche: l'ancienne église des Récollets sera détruite! - La DH/Les Sports+

old_name Église des Récollets

being replaced with this one (way/1122637984):

tag key

amenity place_of_worship

building yes

Seems like there are bulk imports and deletions in the area, so I guess there can be other replacements with loss of information like this one. Maybe you would like to investigate it (if you didn’t already) so I reported it here.

Other examples, churches replaced and all tags gone:

way/155198336 with way/1122629745
way/138351416 with way/1122638811
way/147668349 with way/1122639195

Chapel:
way/209830100 with way/1122621660

A library replaced with a bigger building:
way/210105303 with way/1122640709

ecc.ecc.

joost_schouppe · 2022-12-17T10:07:47.714Z

Thanks! I’ve sent them a pm already and have asked some more folks to look into this

Le_Sharkoïste · 2022-12-17T10:56:50.994Z

HI! I am the guy who imported all of this data.

I didn’t have bad intentions but I apparently didn’t check for tags that could be deleted during the import.

I know I’ll probably get blocked for making such a big change w/o asking the community first, but I guess I can help re-add tags if needed (you can PM me on OSM).

ivanbranco · 2022-12-17T11:17:34.585Z

Le_Sharkoïste:

I know I’ll probably get blocked

You will not.

Just keep in mind the import guidelines next time. Thank you both!

joost_schouppe · 2022-12-17T11:43:55.295Z

Indeed, don’t worry about it. And we absolutely can use help with the import effort, so I hope you’ll join us!

Pieter_Vander_Vennet · 2022-12-31T14:01:22.267Z

I’ve done quite a few imports as well, I’ve even written some tools to help import safely without loosing data. But some guidance using JOSM would help as well.

ivanbranco · 2023-01-01T15:06:48.268Z

For the record seems like the account who made the import has been deleted.

Thibaultmol · 2023-01-11T07:52:46.442Z

The solution (unless anyone has objects/suggestions) is that me and @Le_Sharkoïste will be fixing the edits. I’ll mainly be doing the “going through the deleted objects to see which tags are not present in the current version of osm” while Sharkoïste is going to fix the landuse in that region (when the massive edits happened, lots of nodes were deleted that were part of landuse areas).

Trying to ‘revert’ the edits is not feasible as edits have been made since it happened, so it would just probably end up making things more confusing.