Howdy, Iâve been actively importing as well in various formats of data in conjunction with Knbx, we had been working in parallel independent. But have since been in correspondence after realized we were working on the same tasks. Just want to say how impressed i am with the effort Boris has put into checking, processing and building scripts to handle the data. Its very accurate once setup and very efficient to process once you learn a few tricks. It would have taken months and months if i continued at the more manual setup i was using to work with the open data. Additionally he has put together a great writeup on the wiki with resources and methodology that i think will help.
While i might be a new name to the Calgary area mapping i have been working in the Edmonton area for a few years now and wanted to help out in Calgary as well.
Primarily its been building outlines and addresses imported with guidance, its not a simple mass import but the JOSM tools do help to streamline. i havenât really played with any of the other data yet. Just to reiterate, there simply is no blind wholesale imports. Itâs not viable for these, and caution should be given for the other data sets if we tackle them too.
Some observations and responses.
Bing sat imagery is updated in the late 2023 timeframe and seems to be the best quality and accuracy. As the cityâs import was done in the 2024 timeframe it is pretty easy to spot and capture and updates from existing data. To date its been focused on areas that were completely missing data or had poor quality imports (ie MS footprints or old traced data from poor quality imagery) The core communities that have been hand traced, addressed and split out have not been touched as they are the best quality geometry on the map and would be a nightmare to attempt to import data in any wholesale means. But, some sort of review would be prudent to pick and choose changes to do one on one given the data is pretty new and great quality.
Agreed on the roofline data, it does get a little goofy on extra nodes, generally iâve been using it raw, as it hasnât been an issue but working with redstone and cornerstone it was getting pretty ridiculous.
100% a sweep for building classification checks, there are misses, but we are also coming for a bunch of map data as âbuilding=yesâ which was useless (i am guilty of this as well). The data is limited, its easy peasy in the far flung suburbs to classify garages, detached, terraces, apartments, etc⌠and generally i have been doing so when i am doing the addressing imports as its part of the process.
Street centerlines, i have only used it as a basis to improve the existing data via the JOSM tools. I agree there is no value to a wholesale import as there is no consistency to the quality or accuracy of this data from the city, it is best used as a quick check, outline for new roadways and naming structure check. A note there are new roads with active completion dates that are not yet represented in imagery yet, I personally have been adding them, but canât physically confirm, i suppose going forward I will add with a note. Generally speaking most roads are well done but there are some abysmal neighborhoods with presumably old data that are worthy of a check. Itâs definitely a case by case basis for using the road data.
I agree on the general data accuracy, hydrants can be pretty good, but it needs data cleanup and shifting, addresses just arenât worth it as you get into more commercial areas, that is going to still be hand and street level confirmed for the best results. But most of this has been the focus of previous work so its in good shape already.
Some issues: early on i was oblivious to the conflation and geometry replacement functionality so i was deleting and replacing some of the previous work in a few areas. We lost some history on a few buildings in the West and NW as a result i did early on, My apologies to anyone, i wish i knew earlier on.
I would love to see a bit more collaboration so it is more of a community effort, i get big imports are not for everyone but the tools are fantastic and there is opportunity to get addressing done for the city in fairly short order.
I think some pause and discussion before working with the other datasets is probably worthwhile, what is valuable and what is clutter is worth a chat, but there is a ton to do still on core useful for navigation stuff yet.