Import Apple Maps data into OSM?

tanka1 · 2022-09-29T14:59:08.774Z

Is there any way to import Apple Maps roads into OSM for editing purposes? Or overlay them?

I’m trying to create a roundabout. It shows up on Apple Maps, but the satellite images haven’t been updated yet. So I’m having a hard time drawing it on the web editor.

Thanks!

ToniE · 2022-09-29T15:00:50.005Z

No way to copy data from Apple, Google, … for license reasons.
We’re not allowed to do so.

nevw · 2022-09-29T15:38:43.000Z

Are you able to provide the osm url of the junction?

dieterdreist · 2022-09-29T20:23:42.684Z

Apple is a very different case than Google, as they are publicly using OpenStreetMap data (although I do not think the whole of it is released under the ODbL, guess they are using a collective database, the details would be interesting)

ToniE · 2022-09-30T08:20:11.346Z

Maybe Apple is a different case, but using OSM data does not necessarily imply that the derived (and enriched) data is, as input data, compatible with OSM.

So, I would not use any Apple data.

amapanda_ᚐᚋᚐᚅᚇᚐ · 2022-09-30T09:45:31.000Z

IIRC Apple Maps is OSM data in large parts of the world anyway.

But remember one of the Rules of OSM: “Don’t copy from other maps (unless you know it’s explicilty allowed)”

dieterdreist · 2022-10-01T10:15:53.950Z

presuming that Apple does attribute as required, it appears to me that there is a shortcoming with the current situation: we don’t know exactly which parts are from OpenStreetMap or contain OpenStreetMap data in a derivative database, so we can not exercise our rights based on the ODbL (regional extract, thematic extract)

Emilius123 · 2022-10-02T14:29:32.434Z

dieterdreist:

we don’t know exactly which parts are from OpenStreetMap or contain OpenStreetMap data in a derivative database

Why would we want to know that anyway? There’s no use in foreign data if we already have it, anyway.

dieterdreist · 2022-10-02T21:15:10.798Z

err, because of share alike provisions?