I’ve tagged all the other bus stops with their respective numbers, but that one is “just” an exit only, the signage says “HALT Nur bis hier. Endhaltestelle”, meaning it’s only the end of “some line”, no timetable, no other info on which line ends there. I know it’s a variant of the 125, another continues to Invalidensiedlung.
This stop shows up as do all others in renderings, but it isn’t clear it’s not one where passengers only exit. I suspect this is because there is no special rendering on any tipe layer or such?
How should/can I tag this?
Is there a special value for local_ref?
How do I tag that a/the missing local_ref is correct/on purpose and not missing/incomplete data?
This stop hasn’t gotten one on-the-ground. The stop isn’t usually mentioned on “official” maps either, for example S Frohnau: Haltestelleninfo | BVG has a PDF linked at the bottom, that also shows the numbers for the other stops, but this exit-only stop isn’t shown at all, not even with that purple half circle.
Yeah, the variant relation doesn’t exist.
The current (linked above) isn’t correct either, there’s a diversion caused by a gas pipe rupture and ongoing construction.
That aside, I don’t think a route relation ending at that stop would change it’s rendering. It could, but that relies on the assumption that if there are only routes ending at a stop, it’s “special” somehow. I wouldn’t make that assumption, I’d still want to know if the data is complete or not, which a route variant alone doesn’t tell on.
And I came up with the (also) non-existent bus_stop:entry=no and bus_stop:exit=designated.
Where the values meaning is taken from the access-tag; entry onto a bus is not allowed, exit is allowed and signed as such.
As for bus route relations, we set roles stop_exit_only and platform_exit_only and in other contexts we already map =only I would recommend using this word instead of designated. But is it necessary? If the bus route is mapped (with the stop as last stop), the data is there.
Would it legally be allowed to let in passengers to entry a bus at this platform (for example if the regular stop is temporarily unaivailable)?
Moin @mueschel, hab grad OSMCha bzw. OSMCha gesehen.
Danke.
Weißt du wo/ob/wie das im wiki dokumentiert ist?
Sonst möchte ich dich bitten das nachzuholen.
The pre-existing no*=yes isn’t scalable, readable, and easily parsable. I would use no:local_ref=yes for non-existence of tag, compared to not:local_ref=A for not a certain tag.
There might be stops that have a dedicated exit and entry position close to each other where this tag might be useful. In general I think the information is better placed in the route relations.
I agree it’s probably better suited for the relation(s).
In this case it’s (not legally binding or anything) signed on the stop sign post, and that fact can be tagged, it’s verifiable.
Even if only very few have done so currently, this could be used by a validator and note that a route relation ends at a stop which only allows people to get on, and other logical variants of this.
I also don’t just want to leave a note=hier nur ausstieg möglich, ist auch so beschildert, that’s not as useful or “correct” to me.
Same reason why I started this thread.
Say I want to search for missing local_ref on other bus stops somewhere, how do I filter out the false positive results, by which tag?
I mean, technically it’s unsigned.
Whether a (official or not, published by like a bus servicing company, and copyrighted) source shows a lack of local_ref, doesn’t mean there actually doesn’t exist one internally, or I just havent found a source for it.
Good summary from the wiki:
no:*: “Does not currently exist.”
*:signed: “property can be verified by reading a posted sign.”
Just the difference between knowing there isn’t one, and knowing there isn’t one written on the bus stop pole anywhere.
local_ref:signed=no could mean it’s intentionally nonexistent, unknown, (intentionally or not) removed, unreadable – it does mean that this fact has been surveyed.
Just from reading the wiki on prefix no:* I’d think it’s not as good a fit. The local_ref to me isn’t a “thing” that physically exists or doesn’t, like a building.
It would however solve the problem just as well.