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Maar waarom moet dat kleine deel dan prominent op de basis (database) kaart zichtbaar zijn ?

Hi everyone,

I’m also providing a Dutch version of this message below, since I see that some of you prefer to communicate in Dutch.

Thanks for sharing some more thoughts.

We understand your worries about corporate editing. We recognize your commitment to your standards and guidelines and respect them. As fellow mapmakers we want to help improve the map, which we’ve already successfully done with other communities (for instance the Polish community, as RicoElectrico mentions).

We’d love to talk about either of the projects we proposed:

We could also support you in leveraging MapMetrics to help you with some of your own projects. It is the first release to OSM from Steve Coast’s Innovation team within TomTom, and we are excited about its potential.

We’re also interested to hear if you have any other ideas. We’re excited to combine our strengths and map together.

Hallo iedereen

Bedankt om deze bijkomende opmerkingen met ons te delen.

We begrijpen jullie bezorgdheden omtrent edits door bedrijven. We erkennen dat jullie bepaalde standaarden en richtlijnen volgen en willen die ook respecteren. Net als jullie zijn we kaartenmakers, en in die hoedanigheid willen we samen met jullie de kaart nog beter maken. We hadden al succesvolle samenwerkingen met andere communities, bijvoorbeeld de Poolse, zoals RicoElectrico vermeldde.

We zouden het graag met jullie hebben over de projecten die we voorstelden:

We kunnen jullie ook helpen gebruikmaken van MapMetrics ter ondersteuning van jullie eigen projecten. Het is de eerste release naar OSM van Steve Coasts Innovation-team binnen TomTom, en we zijn enthousiast over het potentieel van deze tool.

Als jullie andere ideeën hebben, horen we dat graag. We zouden het fijn vinden om onze krachten te bundelen en samen aan de kaart te werken.


Sadly, there is no response on the mail.

Mapmetrics Nederland

Knowing places that are correct drawn in with the newest data, mostly of the Government, like BGT omtrekgericht, every street is checked, access tagged according to the traffic_sign, and still finding yellow, orange and red tiles on the map.
Okay, some development, new house blocks, one temporally closed street.

There are much much false positive.
Looking at a colored tile, how to find, what’s wrong.
Looking for “the needle in the haystack”, because someone tells, there could be a needle.
A colored tile is often a whole neighbourhood. Lot of cut roads to check.
Straight roads, like the road on the Markerwaarddijk between Enkhuizen and Lelystad,
mostly red, orange, yellow tiles, must everyone look there, the next one looks again, what is wrong?

Because of this.
The use of this tool is time consuming. If you want to find a spot to edit.
And does not give the effect it should give.

Download, not usable data, data set to big for local OSM use. 1.9 GB
Inside .csv is no extra hints, where to look.
All these data sets, we only need the latest.

In the base, it is a good idea, but it is to vague, to find in seconds, what the problem is.

A lot of Mapmetrics false positives can be found along railroads, and also along shipping/ferry routes.
These really need to be addressed first before this starts to become useful.

As for the Maproulette challenges: I’m not interested myself, but that’s because I tend(ed) to map things I encounter myself, and I mostly do mapping for the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team. The Tasking Manager they’ve set up (tasks.hotosm.org) could be a good approach to handling the Mapmetrics squares.

MarjanVan, could I in return for my feedback get a response to my previous post with remarks and a question: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=844385#p844385 ? Much appreciated, thanks.

I drew the same conclusion after inspection of mapmetrics

I don’t see a problem with the first challenge and encourage challenges that don’t require local knowledge and are easy to fix.
For the second challenge the text doesn’t match the actual challenge. There are a lot of not-Tesla superchargers.
And the description reads “(there is no space between value and units).” whilst the challenge is set correctly to suggest a space, which is indeed the standard within OsM.

There are tiles from MapMetrics in Fryslân that colour red but have all the roads correctly mapped since the AND import and there aren’t even any potential tracks visible.
So sorry but to be quite blunt for The Netherlands MapMetrics in its current state is completely useless and is filled with false positives.

Marjan, als je het zo belangrijk vindt om de charging station-tags te fixen, waarom doe je dat dan niet?

Ik denk dat dat is omdat niemand echt ingaat op haar vraag maar er opeens een hele metadiscussie over TomTom ontstaat.

IMHO is het een vrij simpele fix die als een automatische edit gedaan kan worden. Doen. Maar verwacht wel dat je dit moet herhalen want dit is gewoon iets wat niet altijd goed getagd wordt.

As long as large(r) projects are shared within the community I don’t think it matters whether a party is commercial or not.
Great that TomTom decides to use Openstreetmap data and that they run an extra check on the quality of the data.

The two aforementioned projects don’t seem to hurt; I guess many people run similar fixes on for instance opening hours or phone numbers. So rewriting the kW into the correct form would be fine.
And I’m not particularly a Maproulette connoisseur but I know it gets a lot op people going.

I’d say: thanks for notifying and please let us know when there are new projects ahead!

Inderdaad, goed samengevat.
Ik sta hierachter.

Mijn reactie is mijn antwoord op haar vraag:

Ik beschouw Marjan als een van onze mappers. Als ze bepaalde dingen belangrijk vindt dan corrigeert ze die maar.
Uiteraard moet 22kw 22 kW zijn.

Voor geïnteresseerden:
De oprichter van OpenStreetMap heeft Oct 25, 2021 een blogpost op de TomTom website geschreven.


Volgens mij heeft hij die blogpost geschreven uit hoofde van zijn huidige functie bij TomTom.

Het blijft inderdaad onze oprichter.

Hallo iedereen

Thank you for being so responsive. We really appreciate it.

Let me reply to these questions and comments:

Did you contact innovationteam@groups.tomtom.com? If yes, we’ll ask the team to get in touch with you.

The tool is brand new and still requires fine-tuning. That is why we really appreciate this valuable feedback. We will take it along as we further improve MapMetrics. Note that some of your concerns will already be addressed in a new release that’s coming out soon.

Regarding the false positives: Steve Coast’s team is working on removing these. He wrote about this in his most recent blog post (also mentioned in this thread by FriendlyGhost and Commodoortje).

Furthermore, we have new documentation about MapMetrics (in PDF format) that will answer some of your questions. Would you like to receive this?

Thank you for the Tasking Manager suggestion, it indeed seems useful.

We are not in that list because we do not offer commercial OSM software or services. We are however in the list of Organised Editing Teams.

Our editors are indeed paid.

Our company is mentioned in the project description.

Thanks for catching this. We’ve revised the challenge description so it’s more accurate.

We are happy to work on this if it’s helpful for the community. Our intent is to support the community’s interests (this particular challenge was prepared based on an idea described in this thread).

We willen hier graag aan werken als dat nuttig is voor jullie. Ons doel is om de noden van de community te ondersteunen (deze specifieke challenge werd aangemaakt op basis van een idee beschreven in deze discussie).

We’re glad to read this. It is indeed our aim to always share projects with the community upfront. We are currently working on detecting and reviewing issues in the map and will let you know if this results in any project plans. I can say already that we want to start working on road edits in the near future. We will keep you posted on this.

Once again, thank you all for the fruitful discussion.

Kind regards,

I don’t agree. As far as I understand (but your information about what your goals are is still very limited!) TomTom is going to use OSM data to offer commercial services, hence my suggestion.

No, the mail adres on your page Organised Editing page.

Apparently we missed that message, I’m sorry about that. I will shoot you an email.

For your information: the new MapMetrics documentation I was talking about before is now available in the help section of MapMetrics.

Kind regards,

At this time we are not using OSM data in any of our commercial services. If this changes, we will abide by the OSM community guidelines.