Active on OSM since 2012, active on the old OSM forum (Germany) since 2018, leading and moderating meetings has been part of my profession for 25 years, a few years of experience as a moderator in a community forum in the early/mid 2000s
The wiki doesn’t seem to offer a German translation for the OSM Etiquette. I’m afraid this will exclude some part of the community, and isn’t really all that useful in its current form. Once a German translation is available, we can always reconsider. For now I would go ahead with the established rules.
Yes, other communities have started the localization efforts, usually making a first pass using deepl.com and then doing a quick human review. I think localizations are expected to come from the communities themselves, I don’t think there is someone leading the localization for every language.
Since we have already three mods that have accepted here, do you want to move forward with the category creation now, or wait in deference another 24hs or so for @Nop to comment since he has been the Germany moderator in the past?
I would like to continue using the existing forum rules.
The new subcategory is for discussions in German (i.e. almost all users using the category have a good knowledge of German). The Etiquette Guidelines are not translated into German and translating them is not that easy because the original text is long and difficult. I do not want to apply rules written in difficult English (they could have used simpler English) against someone who is unable to understand the rules due to plain language issues.
As a moderator, I myself do not know how to interprete some prohobitions. But I am used to the old rules for ten years as user and about four years as moderator (Austrian forum, almost identical rules). This does not mean that I am completely against new rules. However, rules need to be adopted to to specific issues of the platform, language and the fact that they are applied to a cultural more homogenous group (of Germans; i.e. local laws and social norms exist to be referred to).
I think the old forum rules may have been somewhat convenient for moderators, but in the end, they didn’t encourage a productive style of discussion.
It’s definitely worthwhile checking the EG’s expected behavior section, and evaluate options to address the real/perceived “bad forum vibe”. This topic is frequently cited as a reason why people stop participating in the forum.
There’s no particular reason why a software change and adopting a new set of forum rules need to happen at the exact same time.
IMO, a community should be able to update or replace their rules at any point in the future. So if the German community decides to adopt a translated and/or tweaked version of the EG as their new forum rules later on, that still ought to be possible.
Personally, I would welcome more proactive moderation that tries to encourage productive discussion, as I believe that the way day-to-day moderation actually happens that makes a much larger difference than the precise wording of the rules. Maybe that’s possible now that we have a larger, more active team of moderators again.