Germany - Points of Interest Without the Name | Deutschland – POI ohne Namen

Hallo OSM Deutschland,

ich hoffe, es geht Euch gut. Ich freue mich, eine neue MapRoulette-Challenge anzukündigen, die darauf abzielt, die Point-of-Interest-(POI)-Daten zu verbessern. Ich würde mich über Euer Feedback freuen, ob diese Initiative einen Mehrwert für die Karte bietet – insbesondere für Routing-, Such- und Forschungszwecke.

Die Challenge heißt: Germany - Points of Interest Without the Name. Sie konzentriert sich darauf, POIs zu identifizieren und zu vervollständigen, denen die Namensinformation fehlt, um die Karte vollständiger und besser durchsuchbar zu machen.

Die Aufgaben wurden generiert, indem alle POI-Punkte und -Polygone in OSM gefiltert wurden, bei denen das Feld name=* Field. Wenn ihr eine Aufgabe findet, die bereits behoben ist oder keine Bearbeitung erfordert, markiert sie bitte als „Already Fixed” oder „Not an Issue”, je nachdem was zutrifft.

Vielen Dank – euer Input und Feedback ist stets sehr willkommen.

Beste Grüße

Salim Baidoun, TomTom

I looked at one task:

The edit link leads me to a node, not a way, that’s confusing.

It’s a schools boundary, could/should be a landuse=education instead.
I don’t know that one, and the term “filiale” in the school buildings name is weird to me.

Edit: same for the task for Way: 1425959481 | OpenStreetMap

And probably other such school ground areas too, I’ve seen a third just now.

It’s curious, why are the tasks all grouped around Berlin and the Rhine-Ruhr metropolitan region?

That’s a great question @cyton . Most of the findings were in these two regions. If the community believes this challenge is valuable, we can always add more tasks later if they aren’t all resolved beforehand.

Please remove advertising from the challenge. The “goal” description for this challenge starts with: “At TomTom, we proudly support OpenStreetMap (OSM) communities around the world in the mission to create a more accurate and usable map for all." Please describe the goal of the challenge in neutral terms. It doesn’t matter who puts that goal there, it should speak for itself.

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@Jochen_Topf : I will look into that with the team and come back to you soon.
Thanks for the input, appreciated.

Maybe I don’t understand how MapRoulette works but this one looks odd. If I select a random task in Berlin:

it shows me a location in Berlin but leads to an untagged node in the middle of the US.

indeed is strange, would you kindly flag this on MapRoulette, i will then take a look how this happened.

Thank you @lonvia

no, it could have additionally a landuse=education tag, but the more relevant edit would be adding the school related information to the polygon, not removing the amenity=school tag from the site.

@Jochen_Topf : removed and will be consistent in upcoming challenges

This challenges puzzles me. First, I was concerned that it will lead to inexperienced contributors flooding the database with descriptive name-tags (that we all try to avoid), but that’s not even the main point.

First of all, I can only find tasks around Berlin and North-Rhine Westphalia, nowhere else. Why ? Second, associated osm-nodes are incorrect. I checked one in Bonn which lead me to Node: 45392933 | OpenStreetMap somewhere in the US.

Finally, there seems to be a high emphasis on educational related POIs since I mostly find tasks about university and schools. In osm, schools are often mapped incorrectly for people overuse amenity=school and don’t distinguish cleanly between different schools sharing a common school ground. So, the task is actually useful for QS-purposes but not for immediate correction using SC on the mobile phone.

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Yeah, the issue seems to he that the edit button always references the id of something as if it were a node, but most seem to be ways.
Same as I said above.

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@cyton @limes11 : hoping i did not mess any point:

  • The tasks are clustered around Berlin and the Rhine-Ruhr metropolitan region. - As mentioned above, Most of the findings were in these two regions. If the community believes this challenge is valuable, we can always add more tasks later if they aren’t all resolved beforehand.

  • Some task links lead confusingly to nodes instead of ways. For example, school boundary areas are involved and there is debate about proper tagging (e.g., designation of landuse=education versus amenity=school). - POIs can be nodes and areas too

  • There are inconsistencies and errors in the tasks, such as edit links pointing to unrelated locations (like a US node when expecting a location in Germany). - Is an issue indeed, I am investigating it with the team

  • Some users felt the challenge might lead inexperienced users to add non-descriptive or improper name tags. - I changed the settings to experienced users, I might consider adding/tweaking the challenge description to be clear if you agree

  • The heavy presence of educational POIs highlights mapping complexities around schools, which are often inaccurately mapped, suggesting that corrections require careful consideration. - I am considering to tweak/modify the challenge instruction to show/mention the types of POIs