garmin.openstreetmap.nl was (well “is” because people still try to use it) extremely popular site to produce custom maps from OSM for Garmin devices, widely published on youtube and other places on the Internet. The problem is that it hasn’t worked at all as of late and only on and off for the better part of half a decade. There are some secondary considerations (not declaring who’s operating the site and asking for donations without stating that they are not going to “OpenStreetMap” and so on), but the not working bit is the most important one as that causes both reputational damage and workload on completely non-involved people.
There’s a further angle wrt openstreetmap.nl of who is really operating it and if this is the state of affairs the Dutch community wants, but as said that is not an immediate concern.
PS: wrt English: I’m fully aware of the language skills of the Dutch, I was just being polite.
@Jillis There is a problem: when a (historically) often used site, not only by the Dutch community, effectively is not working any more, for whatever reason, and is still referred to in many places, ‘we’ have a problem.
Apart from some frustration by intended users not receiving what they want it is, imho, also an OSM(F) issue as, legally true or not, the site refers to and uses OSM, so not working brings reputational damage.
My question would be: apparently Lambertus is not visibly involved in OSM/garmin.openstreetmap.nl, any more for quite some time; I guess that some of us here know about Lambertus’ situation and how to reach him (under the proposition that nothing serious occurred him), so all actions to be aimed at reviving this site by taking it over, hosting it somewhere else, etc.
That’s the problem Martin. Since the forum was taken over, nobody was able to contact him ever since. Phone numbers did not exist anymore, I’ve tried several of his e-mail adresses: no response, Skype: nada. I can live with the message on the redirect site although this does not work on my mobile, there I still get the old site.
“taking over” currently refers to pointing the relevant domain somewhere else. Outside of a contract existing between Lambertus and the owners of openstreetmap.nl I don’t see an issue. As to the software if it hasn’t been published on open terms or there is an explicit licence of some kind, it obviously can’t be reused, but I don’t believe that has been proposed.
I would expect that negotiorum gestio statutes would apply wrt the cleaning up in any case (I believe the Netherlands has corresponding legislation).
I was not aware of this, euh, situation. I agree that such URL with ‘OSM’ in it needs to work as expected, due to reputation. I now kinda feel guilty for pointing my Geocaching/Garmin friends to the site in question; did so, even last week.
I quickly updated my slides as well, that I tend to spread around in response to people asking me: what is OSM: http://www.rees-five-o.nl/OSM_LocHal_05.pdf; updated the ref for the Garmin people.
BTW, the website redirecting works fine for me today: I am currently facing the (new for me) site: https://extract.bbbike.org