DMZ의 기능을 제거하시겠습니까? / Removal of features on DMZ?

Communities 한국/조선 (Korea)
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안녕하세요, 한국 매퍼 여러분.

Changesets by kangsunghyun98 | OpenStreetMap 를 살펴보시고 이러한 피처가 실제로 철거/제거되었는지, 그리고 OSM에서 실제로 모두 삭제해야 하는지 알려주시겠습니까?

감사합니다!

Graeme Fitzpatrick
감독자
OSMF 데이터 작업 그룹

Hello Korean mappers.

Could I please ask you to look at Changesets by kangsunghyun98 | OpenStreetMap, and tell us if these features have actually been demolished / removed, and so whether they should actually all be deleted from OSM?

Thank you!

Graeme Fitzpatrick
Moderator
OSMF Data Working Group

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Thank you very much for your report.
Upon review, here’s my opinion

  1. I think there is a lot of validity to the editor’s comments and edits.
    The fact that some buildings were actually destroyed has been reported in the media.
  2. I think the editing method is a bit problematic.
    If it was completely gone and cleaned up, it would make sense to remove the tag, but in the case of a building that is simply known to have been destroyed, it is unfortunate that the tag was completely removed when it should have left a trace according to the ‘Lifecycle prefix’.
  3. The nature of the area makes it difficult to determine the authenticity of the information.
    I don’t know what to do, because I need to know the actual situation to make a proper edit, not just based on a reasonable assumption, but the nature of the region makes it difficult to determine the actual situation.

I’ve asked the editor in question if they can determine the authenticity of the information, but I’d like to ask you if you have any ideas on how to handle this.

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I’m of the same opinion as above. Some removal of the features has been widely known, others not so much. All of them need at least a satellite verification to determine whether or not and to what extent it’s actually been removed and what features are there to replace it. Some edits, especially those regarding name changes, are hard to verify due to the nature of the mapping area. Edits in the Panmunjeom area may be corroborated by an organised tour visit, which has unfortunately been on pause (on the south side at least) since mid 2023.

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To add my purely subjective opinion, if the editor in question is not in a position to confirm the actual situation, I think it would be better to revert the edits and wait until the facts are confirmed by reliable sources or confirmed by satellite maps.
North Korea’s public statements and media announcements are also not entirely reliable, as they sometimes differ slightly from the actual facts.

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Thanks both for your comments :+1:

I pretty well agree with everything that you’ve said. I await their reply to you with interest!

Did you ask via Changeset Comment or PM?

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I saw that you left a changeset comment, so I sent him/her a question in a private DM.

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When I’ve now had a chance to get back to this, I see that the user in question has now deleted their account.

Several of their CS have already been reverted, so I will probably revert the rest of them as well, due to being unable to verify anything?

Are you all in agreement with this?

CS: Changeset: 164144773 | OpenStreetMap
Changeset: 164145561 | OpenStreetMap
Changeset: 164190759 | OpenStreetMap
Changeset: 164214139 | OpenStreetMap
Changeset: 164214571 | OpenStreetMap
Changeset: 164232387 | OpenStreetMap

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I’ll review it as soon as I have time:
(of course, others are welcome to review and edit it in the meantime).

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